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Originally posted by Viss1:
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New Orleans NEVER allowed us to hold drills. All other Parishes and Baton Rouge have drills just for this.
I have no idea whather any of this is true or not, but the above quote would refute the "no one had any idea the levees would break" argument.
Oh, I don't think that's necessarily the case. A failing levee has *always* been a threat, by the very nature of their construction (levees aren't just a N.O. thing, they're used all up and down the Mississippi River, for example...see the big floods in Missouri back in the late 90s, I think). Holding drills to handle levee failure would seem like a no-brainer. Now, given the specific case of Katrina, I think that what was being said was that they thought that since the hurricane had passed, the danger of a levee being overwhelmed was past as well, but obviously it turned out to not be the case. I wonder if it'll ever be determined where exactly the breach(es) started...I still think I remember reading that one of the breaches was in a reinforced section.
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Is it out of the realm of possibility to see some Negligent Homicide lawsuits against Nagin, the City of N.O., and the State of LA from all of this? I'd certainly be looking into it if I lost a loved one down there. 
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Now, given the specific case of Katrina, I think that what was being said was that they thought that since the hurricane had passed, the danger of a levee being overwhelmed was past as well, but obviously it turned out to not be the case.
Fair enough. I'm trying to figure out what type of "drills" the guy was talking about, though... general evacuation drills?
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
A failing levee has *always* been a threat, by the very nature of their construction (levees aren't just a N.O. thing, they're used all up and down the Mississippi River, for example...see the big floods in Missouri back in the late 90s, I think).
There was a big ass Mississippi flood back in the 60s... my town (Clinton, IA) had flood water all the way to my middle school (about a mile away).
After that happend and waters receded, they built a huge dike. Called it riverview park, landlocked an old riverboat (turned it into a performing arts theater), had a functional riverboat casino, etc.
Guess what happend in 93, it flooded big again. No flooding going on there!
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I don't doubt that all this is true...
The mayor in NO is an idiot, and deserves to be kicked from office immediately!!
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Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Is it out of the realm of possibility to see some Negligent Homicide lawsuits against Nagin, the City of N.O., and the State of LA from all of this? I'd certainly be looking into it if I lost a loved one down there.
I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I think they were negligent, and really couldn't have done a much worse job of handling the situation. If Martha Stewart can be thrown in jail for acting on a good tip and selling some stocks, then surely, failing to do their jobs and being a contributing factor to thousands of people dying is good for some sort of punishment.
On the other hand, these are government officials we're talking about. Many of them got to where they are because they couldn't cut it in the real world, and/or had good connections (the former FEMA director comes to mind). Incompetence, bureaucracy, and taking forever to accomplish anything is pretty much expected. If you live in a city below sea level, you have over a week of warning that a hurricane is coming your way, and you choose to put your life in the hands of those fools rather then protecting yourself and getting out of there, you kinda had it coming.
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Should the mayor be throw in jail and be held responsable? YES. Will he? NO!! Why? Because that would make people start to wonder about politicians. I would say the government/bush, wants everyone to think "[censored] happens" "theres nothing we could have done to prevent it." Lets just rebuild the "great city"  of New orleans with billions of tax payers dollars. Because if he goes out and says. Well we screwed up and we let this clown drown the city, that looks badly on him. He let it happen. If that makes sense to anyone 
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Originally posted by knightlife:
...them f**kers deserved EVERYTHING that happened to them, spare the needy and health-condition prone/helpless.
so everyone that supports this statement also believes we deserved 9/11 right?
the incompetence or neglect of a leader (or their staff) doesn't make their constituents deserving of harm.
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by knightlife:
...them f**kers deserved EVERYTHING that happened to them, spare the needy and health-condition prone/helpless.
so everyone that supports this statement also believes we deserved 9/11 right?
the incompetence or neglect of a leader (or their staff) doesn't make their constituents deserving of harm.
His point is that anyone that stayed in New Orleans that was fully capable of leaving but chose not to, got what was coming to them. Not those that couldn't leave because the resources weren't there.
The competence or incompetence of the bureaucracy had no bearing on those that chose to stay because they ignored everything anyhow. They only complained after the fact, when the government wasn't there to help them fast enough, despite the fact that if they had done what they were told in the first place the speed of their reaction after the fact would be a moot point.
It's kinda like when your car is broken-down on the railroad tracks and the crossing bucks go down and you just sit there in your car, and when the train hits you and you become paralyzed from the accident it's the train's fault, or the government's fault for making it possible to sit on the tracks with a train coming, or the tow truck's fault for not coming fast enough to push you out of the way when all you had to do was get out of the friggin' car. You got what you had coming to you.
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Originally posted by rearden:
If Martha Stewart can be thrown in jail for acting on a good tip and selling some stocks,
Martha Stewart wasn't sent to prison for insider trading; a common misconception. she was jailed for lying to federal agents, iirc, during the investigation. basically perjury.
now back on topic
interesting idea to have him locked up for his actions, or lack thereof, but that will never happen. let's just hope that some responsibility is eventually doled out here and not just swept under the rug.
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