hey, im a dad with two great sons and when they screwed up, i made all kinds of outreagous threats that i had no intention of keeping. so do your parents. kiss their ass, make outrageous promises, detail their cars, be nice to your sister, call your grandmothers, hug your mom a lot, wash the dishes, and never ever let anyone borrow your car or your girlfriend, they will try to throw a rod in both of them. it is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. wink