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Where is Swazo when you need him to say that only people that travel can opine on this topic? 
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This thread should be locked. It is going nowhere and frankly, this is a car forum, not a thumper forum.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Woah woah woah. What were you reading that gave you the impression that I said God predestined anything? I never ever said God planned it. He knew what would happen but He did not plan it. Just like the Hurricane. You think God sent that? He didn't, but He knew what would happen and the devastation it would cause. God allows us to make our own decisions. You are absolutely off your rocker if you think I was suggesting that God has predestined us. I don't believe that even the slitest. But that does not change the fact that God knows what will happen before it even does.
Knows what before what happens? Before everything happens? I guess that's what I'm trying to root out, whether or not you think God
uses his ability to forsee the future with everything and everyone. Whatever the case, I beg of you to make your explanations clearer and simple, perhaps a scripture or three  . And Konto or anyone, please enlighten me what you first asked.
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Knows what before what happens? Before everything happens? I guess that's what I'm trying to root out, whether or not you think God uses his ability to forsee the future with everything and everyone. Whatever the case, I beg of you to make your explanations clearer and simple, perhaps a scripture or three . And Konto or anyone, please enlighten me what you first asked.
How much clearer do I need to get. God gave us free will. He already knows what we are going to decide but that does not mean that He already made the decision for us. IE - believing in Jesus Christ. He gaves us all the decision to believe. Some will choose to believe. Some wont. He knows who will choose and who won't but that does not mean He pre-made their decision.
I will post scripture later but I doubt that will help. Let me ask you a question. Do you think God is omnipotent and omniscient? Because really, that is what we are debating here.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
This thread should be locked. It is going nowhere and frankly, this is a car forum, not a thumper forum.
Don't like it, here's the door.
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
He is both.
Then why are you arguing with me? I believe the same thing. That means He knows everything now and in the future! 
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
Freedom of religon INCLUDES freedom FROM religon.
Um... NO.
I have a right to proclaim my faith. It's called freedom of speach and is quite deliberately listed as the FIRST AMENDMENT to the Constitution.
What the constitution on the subject of the separation clause outlines is a specific intent to prevent the establishment of a national or official government sponsored religion. A faith in God as a non-denominational, un-specified, generic reference such as in the pledge, and the prayers that begin each congressional session, are not the establishment of religion to be imposed on others. Anybody who does not wish to participate is welcome to ignore the proceedings while their counterparts seek personal guidance from their respective deities. Observance is NOT required, & therefore does not violate the separations clause.
The right to free speach allows me to express nearly anything short of endangering the public or treasonous activity, so I can pray in a public school or in a government building, I just am not allowed to require others to follow my example. It does not guarantee that I have an audience, but I can talk all I want; to .... nobody.... or anybody that will listen.
As a good Catholic, I have my faith. As an American, I must not impose that faith on my fellow Americans. What a great country - for both of us. 
Currently, there is a 'separations' battle going on about faith based organizations getting reimbursed for helping shelter & feed refugees from Katrina. If these organizations were school districts like we have in Florida, they'd get their money, no doubt about it. To deny the reimbursement because a religious organization provided the services is discriminatory. To my knowlege, nobody was turned away, reguardless of their faith - or lack there of. Barring proof of such an event, any of these organizations that apply for reimbursement should get it. Period.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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I'd rather not argue but try to get your understanding. Now while you agree what I agree in wording, I don't think we're on the same wavelength here.
Yes he's all knowing and all powerful. But does he know everything that is going to happen in the future, right now, or does he perhaps not look into the future to find out sometimes?
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Dude. He knows everything all the time. Past and present and future. Everything all the time. Not sometimes. He's God remember?
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