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Originally posted by zgendron:
I don't feel threatened by Catholics. I simply disagree with many of their positions, and as a result am concerned with the way they influence politics, and as an end result, my life.
HELLO! OVER HERE! IVE BEEN TRYING TO TALK TO YOU!
Why is this any different than someone who supports abortion and gay marriage influencing my life? Sounds like someone needs a lesson in politics 101.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by zgendron:
I don't feel threatened by Catholics. I simply disagree with many of their positions, and as a result am concerned with the way they influence politics, and as an end result, my life.
HELLO! OVER HERE! IVE BEEN TRYING TO TALK TO YOU!
Why is this any different than someone who supports abortion and gay marriage influencing my life? Sounds like someone needs a lesson in politics 101.
Good for you. I'm choosing to ignore you based on previous threads, and your inability to maintain an open mind. 
This has nothing to do with POLITICS! That was only an example (see previous post).
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Originally posted by zgendron:
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.
Because they try to influence politics? Wow, you must be 'concerned with' pretty much everyone in this country then. I also understand there are groups without my views trying to influence politics, but I also know that the Constitution protects me from things I may otherwise fear.
Are Catholics the only ones you think have a significant influence on your life? I worry for you if you fear every group that tries to influence politics.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by zgendron:
I don't feel threatened by Catholics. I simply disagree with many of their positions, and as a result am concerned with the way they influence politics, and as an end result, my life.
HELLO! OVER HERE! IVE BEEN TRYING TO TALK TO YOU!
Why is this any different than someone who supports abortion and gay marriage influencing my life? Sounds like someone needs a lesson in politics 101.
Good for you. I'm choosing to ignore you based on previous threads, and your inability to maintain an open mind.
This has nothing to do with POLITICS! That was only an example (see previous post).
But, as long as you asked, how does Gay Marriage and Abortion influence your life? This should be good...
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Originally posted by zgendron:
But, as long as you asked, how does Gay Marriage and Abortion influence your life? This should be good...
How does the Catholic Church influence yours? 
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.
Because they try to influence politics? Wow, you must be 'concerned with' pretty much everyone in this country then. I also understand there are groups without my views trying to influence politics, but I also know that the Constitution protects me from things I may otherwise fear.
Are Catholics the only ones you think have a significant influence on your life? I worry for you if you fear every group that tries to influence politics.
Again...you are trying to twist the argument. Sorry, I won't bite.
No, I'm not ignorant to think that the Catholic Church is the only organization out there to influence or affect my life, but they are one.
I'll give you a direct example of how they could LIMIT MY RIGHTS and DIRECTLY AFFECT MY LIFE.
1.) Gay Marriage.
Lets assume that I am gay. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban gay marriage, and won. I am now no longer able to wed my significant other.
2.) Abortion.
Lets say I'm a woman who is raped. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban abortions and birth control, and won. I later find out I'm pregnant, and have no choice but to proceed with the birth.
Do not be so niave to think these are not REAL possibilities regardless of my religious or political stance.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by zgendron:
But, as long as you asked, how does Gay Marriage and Abortion influence your life? This should be good...
How does the Catholic Church influence yours?
See Previous Post on ways it can...
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.
Because they try to influence politics? Wow, you must be 'concerned with' pretty much everyone in this country then. I also understand there are groups without my views trying to influence politics, but I also know that the Constitution protects me from things I may otherwise fear.
Are Catholics the only ones you think have a significant influence on your life? I worry for you if you fear every group that tries to influence politics.
Again...you are trying to twist the argument. Sorry, I won't bite.
No, I'm not ignorant to think that the Catholic Church is the only organization out there to influence or affect my life, but they are one.
I'll give you a direct example of how they could LIMIT MY RIGHTS and DIRECTLY AFFECT MY LIFE.
1.) Gay Marriage.
Lets assume that I am gay. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban gay marriage, and won. I am now no longer able to wed my significant other.
2.) Abortion.
Lets say I'm a woman who is raped. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban abortions and birth control, and won. I later find out I'm pregnant, and have no choice but to proceed with the birth.
Do not be so niave to think these are not REAL possibilities regardless of my religious or political stance.
Again,
If you aren't a woman and you aren't gay, then how is the Catholic Church directly affecting YOUR life? 
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.
Because they try to influence politics? Wow, you must be 'concerned with' pretty much everyone in this country then. I also understand there are groups without my views trying to influence politics, but I also know that the Constitution protects me from things I may otherwise fear.
Are Catholics the only ones you think have a significant influence on your life? I worry for you if you fear every group that tries to influence politics.
Again...you are trying to twist the argument. Sorry, I won't bite.
No, I'm not ignorant to think that the Catholic Church is the only organization out there to influence or affect my life, but they are one.
I'll give you a direct example of how they could LIMIT MY RIGHTS and DIRECTLY AFFECT MY LIFE.
1.) Gay Marriage.
Lets assume that I am gay. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban gay marriage, and won. I am now no longer able to wed my significant other.
2.) Abortion.
Lets say I'm a woman who is raped. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban abortions and birth control, and won. I later find out I'm pregnant, and have no choice but to proceed with the birth.
Do not be so niave to think these are not REAL possibilities regardless of my religious or political stance.
Again,
If you aren't a woman and you aren't gay, then how is the Catholic Church directly affecting YOUR life?
Are you serious? 
First off, you are LIMITING people's rights. I always have a problem with this. I'm not gay, but I'm most certainly a supporter for Gay Marriage! That issue is strictly about equality and rights.
Next. Now lets say I'm married to the above example of the woman that is raped. Now that affects my life.
Your turn hot shot. How do those things DIRECTLY affect YOUR life? 
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Here's a shocker for you... THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ONLY ORGANIZATION THAT IS TRYING TO STOP GAY MARRIAGE OR ABORTIONS There are many other CHRISTIAN organizations that are trying to do it. Here's another shocker, THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LOBBYING FOR THINGS THAT WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT YOU MORE THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.
Because they try to influence politics? Wow, you must be 'concerned with' pretty much everyone in this country then. I also understand there are groups without my views trying to influence politics, but I also know that the Constitution protects me from things I may otherwise fear.
Are Catholics the only ones you think have a significant influence on your life? I worry for you if you fear every group that tries to influence politics.
Again...you are trying to twist the argument. Sorry, I won't bite.
No, I'm not ignorant to think that the Catholic Church is the only organization out there to influence or affect my life, but they are one.
I'll give you a direct example of how they could LIMIT MY RIGHTS and DIRECTLY AFFECT MY LIFE.
1.) Gay Marriage.
Lets assume that I am gay. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban gay marriage, and won. I am now no longer able to wed my significant other.
2.) Abortion.
Lets say I'm a woman who is raped. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban abortions and birth control, and won. I later find out I'm pregnant, and have no choice but to proceed with the birth.
Do not be so niave to think these are not REAL possibilities regardless of my religious or political stance.
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