Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.



Because they try to influence politics? Wow, you must be 'concerned with' pretty much everyone in this country then. I also understand there are groups without my views trying to influence politics, but I also know that the Constitution protects me from things I may otherwise fear.

Are Catholics the only ones you think have a significant influence on your life? I worry for you if you fear every group that tries to influence politics.



Again...you are trying to twist the argument. Sorry, I won't bite.

No, I'm not ignorant to think that the Catholic Church is the only organization out there to influence or affect my life, but they are one.

I'll give you a direct example of how they could LIMIT MY RIGHTS and DIRECTLY AFFECT MY LIFE.

1.) Gay Marriage.

Lets assume that I am gay. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban gay marriage, and won. I am now no longer able to wed my significant other.

2.) Abortion.

Lets say I'm a woman who is raped. The Catholic Church has lobbied to ban abortions and birth control, and won. I later find out I'm pregnant, and have no choice but to proceed with the birth.

Do not be so niave to think these are not REAL possibilities regardless of my religious or political stance.



Again,

If you aren't a woman and you aren't gay, then how is the Catholic Church directly affecting YOUR life?

- Tim