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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I can't tell where you are on the issue of the church 'changing.' I agree that to some degree a church should evolve. However, what I don't agree with is the church changing to suit society's needs (homosexuality, pologomy, etc).
There is a difference between polygamy (and polyamory for that matter)and homosexuality is night and day. You can choose to be polygamous or polyamorous, but NOT gay. How many times do we have to dance this same dance? It's found in every aspect of nature, so don't give me this "It's a choice" [censored].
There is no reason why the Catholic Church cannot love people it does not agree with. After all, was that NOT the point of Jesus' teachings? I'm not talking about the letters that went out by his followers, which were tinged with personal agenda, I mean the absolute most basic concepts of what Jesus taught.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
So does PETA, the oil companies, Liberial and Conservative movements, etc etc etc etc etc. Originally posted by zgendron:
Wrong! The Catholic Church CONSTANTLY attempts to influence politicians and push their political agenda. They ABSOLUTELY attempt to affect my life.
If they kept out of our politics, I'd have no problem with them either.
At John 18:36 Jesus tells Pilate his Kingdom has nothing to do with the world, saying it is from another source. If the Catholic Church is representing God's will on earth, why would they get involved in politics then? PETA, oil companies and other 'groups' don't claim to represent God's will so it's quite a bit different.
Thats my .02
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God created the inspiration to be good.
Man created the church, not God. If God wanted his word to be truly heard, we would have no churches.
Freedom of religon INCLUDES freedom FROM religon. God and religon are NOT the same.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
God created the inspiration to be good.
Man created the church, not God. If God wanted his word to be truly heard, we would have no churches.
Freedom of religon INCLUDES freedom FROM religon. God and religon are NOT the same.
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Better take that $.02 back. You need to go read you Bible and not post something you heard from someone else.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
So does PETA, the oil companies, Liberial and Conservative movements, etc etc etc etc etc. Originally posted by zgendron:
Wrong! The Catholic Church CONSTANTLY attempts to influence politicians and push their political agenda. They ABSOLUTELY attempt to affect my life.
If they kept out of our politics, I'd have no problem with them either.
My point is that this is why I care about the Catholics way of life. They attempt to affect my way of life. I guess I didn't quote Davo enough. I should have included 1 more sentence in the original quote.
Originally posted by Davo:
If you don't respect or believe in these things, then don't become a Catholic. I get tired of people saying how outrageous and crazy Catholics are, when Catholic beliefs don't have any significance in their life.
I was arguing that Catholic beliefs DO have a significance on my life, even though I'm not Catholic. I tried to go back and fix my original post to include this, but time has expired.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
I was arguing that Catholic beliefs DO have a significance on my life, even though I'm not Catholic. I've gone back and fixed my original post to include this.
And you know what? So do the beliefs of those who support moveon.org even though I'm not a contributor. So whats your point?
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Wrong! The Catholic Church CONSTANTLY attempts to influence politicians and push their political agenda. They ABSOLUTELY attempt to affect my life.
If they kept out of our politics, I'd have no problem with them either.
Ah, so you do feel threatened. Like Corbett said, why should religions stay out of politics? We've had this debate before, and if I recall correctly your side didn't give any good reasons why religions should be unique organizations and stay out of politics.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
I was arguing that Catholic beliefs DO have a significance on my life, even though I'm not Catholic. I tried to go back and fix my original post to include this, but time has expired.
So instead of organizing your own people together and creating significance for your own views, you fear Catholics and think they should stay out of the political process?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
Wrong! The Catholic Church CONSTANTLY attempts to influence politicians and push their political agenda. They ABSOLUTELY attempt to affect my life.
If they kept out of our politics, I'd have no problem with them either.
Ah, so you do feel threatened. Like Corbett said, why should religions stay out of politics? We've had this debate before, and if I recall correctly your side didn't give any good reasons why religions should be unique organizations and stay out of politics.
What do you mean "my side"?
I don't feel threatened by Catholics. I simply disagree with many of their positions, and as a result am concerned with the way they influence politics, and as an end result, my life.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
I was arguing that Catholic beliefs DO have a significance on my life, even though I'm not Catholic. I tried to go back and fix my original post to include this, but time has expired.
So instead of organizing your own people together and creating significance for your own views, you fear Catholics and think they should stay out of the political process?
Wrong again. You are the king of trying to twist an argument around, aren't you.
Lets start from the beginning...
You stated:
Originally posted by Davo:
If you don't respect or believe in these things, then don't become a Catholic. I get tired of people saying how outrageous and crazy Catholics are, when Catholic beliefs don't have any significance in their life.
My point is that they DO have significane in MY life, while you clearly stated they do not. Politics was simply an example of how the CHURCH DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY LIFE.
Do not try to turn my words around here. I have no problems with Catholics simply because I disagree with them, and I certainly do not fear them.
I'm simply saying that your statement was incorrect.
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