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I figured that's what you meant, however since this is going to quickly turn into a Catholic basing debate I wanted to clarify. Originally posted by 04marauder:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Catholics are not baptised at birth.
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13. Baptised at birth.
I meant shortly after. As opposed to other denominations who choose to baptise at an older age. 
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but anything more just seems like a bunch of "pomp and circumstance". after all, you're there to worship and praise God. The Bible does not list any specific routines for doing this. you dont even have to be in a church (building) to do this. there are many churches that even meet in office buildings and parks. a gathering of believers praising and worshipping God in fellowship. what more do you need. i dont think God requires any more than that. Didnt Jesus hold "services" and sermons out in the open to the people? tradition is fine but i dont think it should be the primary focus. as long as the job gets done.  besides the specific routines, a typical Catholic church service is basically the same as any typical protestand church service (of the mainstream groups) with plenty of singing, a sermon, prayer and an offering; add lots of kneeling  on a side note: i was watching an interesting documentary on the History channel on gangsters. Al Capone was not allowed to be buried in a Catholic cemetary! Why?! because he was a notorious, murderous criminal?? NO! because he was divorced 
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Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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It's pretty simple, as Davo said earlier, if you don't believe in the Catholic faith fine, go to your own denomination of choice. However, I get tired of people bitching about the Catholic church. Go be Lutheran, BAptist, Mormon, whatever. The Bible also doesn't say "Go forth and develop many different sects of my faith (Christianity)." The Catholic Chruch has been around longer than any other of the denomitions and is the largest Christian faith on the planet. So the Catholic faith must be doing something right... Let me also add too, that I don't disagree with what you are saying in regards to 'pomp and circumstance;' however, when one learns what each tradition represents etc, it becomes much more than that. Originally posted by svt4stv:
but anything more just seems like a bunch of "pomp and circumstance". after all, you're there to worship and praise God. The Bible does not list any specific routines for doing this. you dont even have to be in a church (building) to do this. there are many churches that even meet in office buildings and parks. a gathering of believers praising and worshipping God in fellowship. what more do you need. i dont think God requires any more than that. Didnt Jesus hold "services" and sermons out in the open to the people?
tradition is fine but i dont think it should be the primary focus. as long as the job gets done. besides the specific routines, a typical Catholic church service is basically the same as any typical protestand church service (of the mainstream groups) with plenty of singing, a sermon, prayer and an offering; add lots of kneeling
on a side note: i was watching an interesting documentary on the History channel on gangsters. Al Capone was not allowed to be buried in a Catholic cemetary! Why?! because he was a notorious, murderous criminal?? NO! because he was divorced
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
I have found that many Catholics I have met don't know much about their religion. ...
I do know from my experience in Lutheran and Baptist chuches that their congregations know very much about the Bible and its stories.
Christianity is such a massive religion you'll have people from all spectrums... some who study it intensely, others who merely identify with it without thinking about why. For example, I went to a Lutheran church for a while growing up, and we were a pretty diverse group... while the Catholic kids I grew up with pretty much all went to Sunday school and participated in the traditions (Ash Wednesday, Lent, etc.).
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
The Catholic Chruch has been around longer than any other of the denomitions and is the largest Christian faith on the planet. So the Catholic faith must be doing something right...
I've got a couple things to say here that I'd like to hear some opinions on. And don't try and think that I'm trying to put down any religion, I was born and raised Catholic, and now I'm trying to make religious decisions on my own.
First off, on this comment RT. One reason for this dominance, could be due to the Catholics shear will to power in Catholicism's dawn. They conquered and spread their religion through Europe by force, and that act has simply weeded itself down through the centuries, so they remain the largest and most powerful sect of Christianity. This stands out to me as the main reason that Catholicism still exists. The religion does not seem to adapt itself to our society. I think that religion needs to mesh with your current beliefs, and I don't think Catholicism even attempts this very important aspect.
Secondly, I've been reading a little philosophy, and would just like a few opinions on the philosophy of religion. Do you think our faith would exist without original sin? Would we need religious reassurance without an unavoidable cause of lifelong guilt? It seems to me that religion is a very cunning method of dehumanizing man. The cornerstone of religion is original sin, without that sin, what do we have or where would religion be at?
Again, I'm not trying to challenge religious beliefs, I simply want some thoughtful opinions on these honest questions.
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I don't disagree with the initial thought on why the Catholic faith got its initial growth. However, I think in the last 100-200 years we would have seen some kind of decline in its membership. And I don't believe we have, nor will we. However, Islam is growing and IIRC ~2025 Islame will be the most populous religion on the planet. It is even their doctrine (according to the Quran IIRC) to kill people who do not convert to Islam. As for the Catholic church changing, why should it? Change to what degree? Should God conform t o our society's lack of morals and standards? I don't think so. We (humans) have done the changing, not God. Should any Christian faith change to suit society? No. IMO, it just so happens that weak people within those faiths are the ones who cry about churches not changing... Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
First off, on this comment RT. One reason for this dominance, could be due to the Catholics shear will to power in Catholicism's dawn. They conquered and spread their religion through Europe by force, and that act has simply weeded itself down through the centuries, so they remain the largest and most powerful sect of Christianity. This stands out to me as the main reason that Catholicism still exists. The religion does not seem to adapt itself to our society. I think that religion needs to mesh with your current beliefs, and I don't think Catholicism even attempts this very important aspect.
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this post needs more open minds..
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My $.02
My pastor says that the job of a church is to take what is timeless and make it relevent.
The bible was written thousands of years ago, and the reason I go to the church I go to is because I feel that they do a good job of taking the timeless principles of the bible and applying them to situations that people face today.
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Making relevant, and changing the 'rules' are two different things... Originally posted by SVTatGT:
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My pastor says that the job of a church is to take what is timeless and make it relevent.
The bible was written thousands of years ago, and the reason I go to the church I go to is because I feel that they do a good job of taking the timeless principles of the bible and applying them to situations that people face today.
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Yea, that is a line that needs to be watched carefully, and I also feel that is the main issue with churches today is that in order to try and reach more people they throw out some of the rules of christianity that scared people away.
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