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#1382293 09/10/05 01:22 PM
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I'm not sure the debate is so much whether or not global warming is real, but rather whether or not humans are causing it, or if its a natural phenomenon.


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Originally posted by gearhead:


In the Seattle Times,

The global warming myth and its selfish defenders
by John A. Baden, Ph.D. and Tim O�Brien

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From what dusty bookshelf did you pull this off?

Don't you think that it might be relelvant that this article was from 1994. It might as well have been from 1894 given all the research and studies that have been performed and data gathered over the last 10 years.

And just for the record, John A. Baden, is founder and chairman of the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment--an organization funded by corporations including:

American Chemistry Council
ExxonMobil
General Electric
General Motors
Merck and
Shell

Naybe, just maybe,these guys were not interested in funding unbiased research in this issue.

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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by gearhead:


In the Seattle Times,

The global warming myth and its selfish defenders
by John A. Baden, Ph.D. and Tim O�Brien

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And just for the record, John A. Baden, is founder and chairman of the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment--an organization funded by corporations including:

Naybe, just maybe,these guys were not interested in funding unbiased research in this issue.




Just as the enviro-wackos aren't interested in funding unbiased research either.


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How about those "enviro-whackos" known as the "Bush Administration" which has now officially acknowledged that global warming exists and that it represents a threat to America.
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(From the Drudge Report June 2, 2002)

U-TURN: BUSH ADMIN OUTLINES 'GLOBAL WARMING' EFFECTS ON AMERICA; ACKNOWLEDGES DAMAGE

In a stunning U-turn for the Bush administration, the United States has sent a climate report to the United Nations detailing "specific and far-reaching effects" that it says "global warming will inflict" on the American environment.

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Also for the first time -- the White House places "most of the blame for recent global warming on human actions -- mainly the burning of fossil fuels that send heat-trapping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere," the NEW YORK TIMES is planning to report on Monday Page Ones, according to publishing sources.

The United States will be substantially changed in the next few decades, claims the Bush report. The United States will "very likely" be seeing the "disruption of snow-fed water supplies, more stifling heat waves and the permanent disappearance of Rocky Mountain meadows and coastal marshes."

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"The new report's predictions present a sharp contrast to the administration's previous statements on climate change, in which President Bush always spoke in generalities and stressed the need for much more research to resolve scientific questions."

The move puts a substantial distance between the administration and the energy industry and automakers.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:MsPvCHq6sv0J:www.drudgereport.com/flash91.htm+"bush+administration"+"global+warming"+acknowledges&hl=en

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Hurricanes are a natural occurrence. Whether or not God even exists is not relevant, because the concept of God has nothing to do with the weather. These things happen naturally, and they don't have to happen for a reason.


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From what Ive read and seen, there is a cyclical pattern of warming and cooling of the oceans (el nino anyone) Seems we are in the time of a "warm" trend. I think the last warm trend was about 40 years ago when Camille and Hazel(i think it was Hazel, which made it all the way to Toronto) happened. It might be hard to say if Global Warming is as big of a trend as we are lead to believe or that this "warm" trend is part of it. (Havent heard any updates about the holes over the antarctic lately)

As for all the damage, I think it was
1. The way the city was designed
2. The relative lack of experience the residents had with major storms (compared to say...Florida)
3. The lack of leadership and subsequent emergency relief

These people that say God is punishing us for having abortions (the hurricane resembling a fetus) or for plain old sin, I think is a stretch. If God really wanted to teach us a lesson hed send another flood. but than i think the bible says that he wouldnt do that, the next time it will be fire!


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if it were an "Act of god" to tech us a lesson. wtf would it be in new orleans for?? Oil refineries or not, there are dozens of other places that would hurt our country and economy more.


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OK, going to take a step back here. The question, "Is it an act of God?" was I think meant to be somewhat of a rhetorical one. In a more literal sense I think it means, "Was this Really a completely Natural occurence?" Rishodi? Because natural disasters, phenomena, occurences or whatever you want to call them have come to be known in general as "Acts of God."
And now many people are beginning to believe that these things may not be so natural after all. Because of man's influence the impact of "Natural" disasters is much more severe than it would or should be.
These questions are significant whether or not you believe in God, obviously. But if you do believe in God and furthermore, if you believe in what the Bible says, these questions take on a possibly greater significance. Because the writer is saying we should have done more to prevent the impact this disaster had on the poor and the environment itself. And for believers, and maybe everyone else too, our failure to minimize the impact of this disaster was a sin.
I don't know how much sense that makes but hey, I gave it a shot. If anything, maybe this speaks to an earlier thread about biblical principles. And how surprise, the Bible does actually contain some teachings besides marriage and abortion as many might prefer us to think. It talks much more about taking better care of the poor and a bit about being more environmentally responsible.




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I'm sorry, but alot of you are saying this (Katrina) happened because of our use of fossil fuel and God did this to us. If you believe in God and I do, you can't blame God for things like this, especially over our use of fossil fuels. Look at it like this, they say a huge meteor hit the Earth and caused all the dinasours to die off and then the Earth healed itself. Who caused that "act of God"


On a somewhat related note, I heard or read somewhere that they're now saying theres NO hole in the ozone. Back in 1988, when I was a senior in H.S., all the talk was about the hole in the ozone and not to use hair spray. Now look at this, NO hole in the ozone.


All I gotta say is this, God bless those who died during Katrinas wrath and those who've suffered since then. Thank God we've got people who care in our country who don't need to be told to do something and have taken in many of these people to give them some normal life which is gotta be a big deal when you have nothing!


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And who in this thread said our President is always right? Believe what you wish, but I think that "global warming" is part of a natural cycle of the earth's atmosphere. The end.....


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