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Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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todras, if you and Terry are right all the time then why hasn't my MTX-75 died since I've NEVER run Ford honey in it??? To boot I've run MTL for almost 2 years previously with out any issues or that "non-MTL caused" build up.

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Luck. I never said anyone was right all the time. You have an LSD. You don't have planet gears with oil galleys that can get clogged. Did it have a black residue when you opened it up after running MTL? Have you actually seen the inside of it?

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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That's what this entire thread is stating like an oversensationalized media blitz. "Run Ford Honey ONLY or your MTX will be destroyed"

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No one has ever said that! Where are you getting this from. Terry suggested RP S.M. as well as Mobil 1!

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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Why is it that the majority of the people with MTX-75's are not running "honey" and are still going strong???

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Because they are running ATF which terry said would be fine. Ford Honey is the best as stated a million times. THe MTX-75 will be fine with ATF which was the previous spec. Has since been changed to Honey as stated over and over.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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It's funny how real world data, experience, and accomplishments can throw a big monkey wrench in the book theories of others isn't it.

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Funny isn't it. What are you bringing to the table?

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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This thread still has not proven that MTL is a bad fluid or has problems. Was that not the entire purpose of this thread???
It certainly wasn't to say the Ford Honey was a good fluid option. That was already a given long before this thread started.

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Oh really? It's been proven all along and also backed up with facts. Now if you fail to read everything I can't help that. I'm not cutting and pasting any more. It's all been laid out.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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You can't argue MTL, MT-90, or SyncroMesh is not better then any ATF.

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I thought that's what we were talking about in this thread.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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We won't even get into ATF with added LSD FM because that's been proven to be a horrible choice for longevity.

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And how has that been proven. Missed where ATF is leaving a black residue and sludge on the inside of MTX-75's.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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Also did you notice how those "European experts" stated that zinc/sulfur packages were used to safely improve gear oil's anti wear properties without hurting the MTX.

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I missed where it said that. Could you point that out?

Originally posted by morbid:

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Ok... I would guess that the darkness and smell of the MTL is ONLY from failing/failed tranny and/or differential. I've changed my MTL 2 times (about 10,000-12,000 miles apart) and each time it looked almost like new -- no smell, cherry red, and no metal flakes. I just changed out the MTL for a 3rd time about 2 weeks ago. My diff began failing yesterday and I drained it when I got home. It stank like hypoid, was dark brown/red... and was filled with metal flakes (looked like a ricer paint job). The drain plug was even gouged and scraped

I am definetly NOT blaming the MTL -- I do abuse my car. I AM saying that the nastyness that Terry has found in the trannys are most likely ONLY a result of a failed tranny/diff (probably due to extensive heat generated by the failing components -- my tranny. Why else would he be working on a tranny if it hadn't already failed?

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Originally posted by G�¨t�£uck�¥151:

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all i wanna know is what to run...

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Originally posted by DemonSVT:

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That's what this entire thread is stating like an oversensationalized media blitz. "Run Ford Honey ONLY or your MTX will be destroyed"

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Originally posted by Marky:

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MTL is not cherry red, are you sure? Have you been using ATF?

We just did a fluid change on an SVT this weekend, no red color at all in the MTL we drained, and definately no red color in the fresh MTL we filled it with. No red color in the MTL I filled my SVT with in May.

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FYI MTL has a pinkish redish hue to it when new. When slightly used it turns into a brownish/black red.

Originally posted by todras:

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Originally posted by G�¨t�£uck�¥151:

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all i wanna know is what to run...

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If you're leaning toward MTL this might even be better if you're stuck on running a Redline product.

15W40 diesel.

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well all i wanna run is the stuff thats better from all the tests and whatnot that have been discussed...whether it be the Ford stuff, or whatever.

Originally posted by G�¨t�£uck�¥151:

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well all i wanna run is the stuff thats better from all the tests and whatnot that have been discussed...whether it be the Ford stuff, or whatever.

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Originally posted by todras:

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Originally posted by Marky:

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MTL is not cherry red, are you sure? Have you been using ATF?

We just did a fluid change on an SVT this weekend, no red color at all in the MTL we drained, and definately no red color in the fresh MTL we filled it with. No red color in the MTL I filled my SVT with in May.

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FYI MTL has a pinkish redish hue to it when new. When slightly used it turns into a brownish/black red.

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I've never experienced that. The fluid that Marky and I changed last weekend came out a medium amber color, just a smidge darker than the new MTL we put back in.

Funny how Terry comments that a heavier fluid should be used ala Ford Honey, but you still recommend ATF which is the lightest fluid mentioned.

I'll stick with what I've seen and experienced in my own car. 60,000 mi of perfect use over 2.5 years with a stock diff using MTL compared to obvious wear and notchy shifting using Mobil 1 for a mere 5,000 mi.