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Originally posted by warmonger:
Wow. Did you save that oil from the last MTL change? I'd be interested in seeing what it looked like if you were to put it into a clear plastic container with light behind it. An oil test for comparison would also be nice but thats probably asking too much. 
Still, you're results with the cocktail are very similar to mine and I ran mine only about 30 days or so. I ran the MTL a year and a half but had less miles on it than you did so maybe not as definitive a result.
The oil is still sitting in a catch pan on my patio. I'll see if I can borrow my GF's digicam and try to snap a pic of the used MTL. I would try honey to have a comparison, but there's no way you will get me to pay $17 per quart. Especially not when MTL is $6.99 all over the net.
I ran the cocktail for 5k mi, which at the time was only 6 weeks or so. The first 30k mi with MTL was less than a year, so my car was definitely getting a work out. The last 30k mi was over about 20 months time.
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Paul (Path914) I'll bet still has the fluid. I watched the fluid drain and it was a light amber, I'd say a bit darker than the fresh MTL he added. A problem with taking pics of this fluid is that the closed top drain pan we used had been used for oil changes. I would gladly send a sample to Blackstone but the sample would be contaminated.
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Ive had my MTL in now for roughly 10,000 miles. The fluid was changed for the first time at 50,000. At least as far as I can tell. I have the full service history of my car and just went through it, but my eyes got a little blurry from looking at all those typed yellow copies. Too crowded! I never found anything that said it had been changed previously. Anyway, I might change mine and funnel it into a clear plastic bottle. Im interested to see whats up. Anyone got any extra fluid?
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Another question. If that transmission was shipped with no oil; and the the waste oil was already thrown out then where are these samples coming from? Are these brand new oil samples straight out of the jug?
Samples were taken from new unused oil.
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Terry's been talking about the MTL issues with a couple chemical engineers on the other side of the pond that know a hell of a lot more than the ppl on this board. Here is one recent email.
Dear Terry,
You're right about non-ferrous
(brass/bronze,aluminium) corrosive wear with EP
additives. Those based on sulfur/phosphorus are not
suited to European Ford transmissions due to increased
corrosive wear/glazing on these materials. The EP
additives used in the WSD-M2C200-C series are
developed from ATF packages (zinc/sulfur) and provide
good EP performance without causing this problem.
The viscometrics of WSD-M2C200-C are significantly
different from typical 75W90 lubes and have much
better low-temperature viscosity. Running a typical
75W90 material will certainly lead to baulking at low
temperature.
Unless the Redline fluid was specifically designed with
the above characteristics I would recommend you switch
back to the FCSD 200-C lube. Never use GL5 as you can
only achieve this level with sulfur/phosphorus EP
additives.
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Also Zinc is used as an antiwear additive. It is found in many antiwear chemical compounds.
Blacksone said the common amout of zinc in a gear lube is around 1000 parts per million, honey has 1161 and MTL 3419!Way overkill and of little benefit. Per Terry
Then I think that point needs to be thrown out. I don't think we're concerned as much in this case with what is giving that EXTRA little bit of protection, as we are with what is sludging up trannies.
Mark
Wow needs less Demon stroking. Thrown out!? Are you insane? I want to know what also is causing this?
Not stroking anyone ego, or anything else for that matter. The fact is, you didn't quote his whole post, and you only replied to the part about the Zinc, which you've went on to say that it's "overkill and of little benefit", meaning that it might not be a benefit, but it's not hurting the transmission. So why quote the most irrelevant part of his post and comment on it?
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Originally posted by todras:
Terry's been talking about the MTL issues with a couple chemical engineers on the other side of the pond that know a hell of a lot more than the ppl on this board.
Needs less Terry stroking  . Why do these people across the pond know so much more than people on this board, and what credentials do they have that make you say that? Do they know more because they agree with Terry? Doesn't sound to opinionated to me. 
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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Needs less Terry stroking . Why do these people across the pond know so much more than people on this board, and what credentials do they have that make you say that? Do they know more because they agree with Terry? Doesn't sound to opinionated to me.
Mark
These guys work for labs and auto mfg's. Two are tribology experts and one is a chemical engineer. They have far better creditials than ANYONE on CEG in their field. I suppose ppl will begin doubting that as well now.  Terry doesn't get his info from 'shadetree' mechs/weekend
wrenches. He contacts people within the automotive engineering field with whom he has worked with or know from connections on various past projects. He has been in this 'core' industry over 30 years FYI. He asks them their take on what he has seen, what the lab results are etc etc. These guys aren't swayed by his opinion. If they think he's full of s**t you can be sure they will tell him.
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Originally posted by todras:
..tribology..
Never heard of this until just now. Thanks Todd.
"Tribology is defined as the science of interacting surfaces in relative motion. The word tribology comes from the Greek tribos, meaning rubbing. In any machine there are lots of component parts that operate by rubbing together. Some examples are bearings, gears, cams and tappets, tyres, brakes, and piston rings. All of these components have two surfaces which come into contact, support a load, and move with respect to each other. Sometimes it is desireable to have low friction, to save energy, or high friction, as in the case of brakes. Usually we don't want the components to wear so they are lubricated.
The study of friction, wear, lubrication and contact mechanics are all important parts of tribology. Related aspects are surface engineering (the modification of a component's surface to improve its function, for example by applying a surface coating), surface roughness, and rolling contact fatigue (where repeated contacts causes fatigue to occur)."
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