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Originally posted by warmonger:
I reread this and it looks like it can be construed as being a smartass. I'm not trying to be. I honestly am asking your opinion or Terry if he wants to comment as to why Ford is recommending a fluid with essentially the sames specs as MTL and MT90 (with MT90 being the closest as Big Jim wrote).
Though this information is good it doesn't discredit any observations people have had. It may make us look for alternative reasons though.
Okay it's hard to respond now since I've been offline for a few days. How is it that that you are saying it has the same specs as the honey? I'm so lost now LOL!
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Originally posted by Terry Haines:
The first phase of the lab results will be with me
later today.The second phase re sulphur and other
tests will be a couple more days as they a quite
extensive(and expensive,around $200,so we are not
having a run of the mill oil check done here)The lab
has pics,write up etc and all the info on hand from me
.As soon as I have the first phase of results I will advise.TH
I should add...
Originally posted by Terry Haines:
...that prior to the lab getting the samples I called
them and spoke to the chemist,discribed the
sludge,smell etc.Also of the smell of honey Vs 'our
lube'....His initial comment was'Tell me what you
think it is...to which I said 'sulphur'....his
response was ...'dead right Terry,sulphr in lube
causes the conditions you have discribed'...But we
shall see,I like reams of data on a case such as this.TH
Earlier messages that I missed...
Title of email was 'Ford Honey is...'
Originally posted by Terry Haines:
...NOT listed as a GL-4 lube on the current spec
sheet(attached),there is only one GL lube and it is
F32Z-19C547-MA...not for an MTX,so wher on the ford
spec sheet does it lis honey as a GL-4?
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I sent this to Terry after he emailed me that Ford "Honey" wasn't GL rated. He responded that he wonders what the additive is that was used to make it GL-4. Anyway, you can see for yourself that Ford says that it is GL-4. Originally posted by Big Jim:
I didn't find what I was after, but I did find something better. I found a Ford site with a full descrption of XT-M5-QS. Follow this link and then go to page 15.
http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/fad/pdf/catalog.pdf
Ford says that "Ford Honey" is GL4, 75W90, just like I posted two years ago.
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Nice. This thread has more suspense than an Indiana Jones movie!
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heheh no sh!t. Been trying to wait for the lab results, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to order up some MT-90 today.
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Originally posted by morbid:
heheh no sh!t. Been trying to wait for the lab results, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to order up some MT-90 today.
Do whatever you please.
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Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by morbid:
heheh no sh!t. Been trying to wait for the lab results, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to order up some MT-90 today.
Do whatever you please.
He is, which is why he said it. 
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Originally posted by Big Jim:
I didn't find what I was after, but I did find something better. I found a Ford site with a full descrption of XT-M5-QS. Follow this link and then go to page 15.
http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/fad/pdf/catalog.pdf
Ford says that "Ford Honey" is GL4, 75W90, just like I posted two years ago.
Actually it DOES NOT say its a GL4 fluid, its says it is recommended for transmissions that require a GL3 or GL4 fluid.
This sounds like (atleast to me), that it has very similiar properties to a GL3/4 fluid but is not actually a GL3/4.
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Terry should have my trans sometime today...
As soon as hell pulls it open we'll see what he tells me and I'll post it I had the same Blackish goo...
But again I can't garantee it wasn't there before.
We'll see. I also heard todras might take some pics...
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Can u ask him to measure his shaft and compare it to your shaft?
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Ford Honey
http://www.fototime.com/DF79FEECAB57E27/standard.jpg
MTL
http://www.fototime.com/9111AAA5BD1B1F5/standard.jpg
From Terry:
the FMC (honey) the baseline of what the content of
MTL should be(or any other 'aftermarket' lube for an
MTX75)...compare the numbers....not too close is
it!
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Also with Terry's chat with the lab MTL = straight 30 weight
oil, Honey = 15W40, so honey is already a higher
viscosity than MTL! At 210 deg F a straight ATF is
42 to 45, MTL = 57.4, honey is 80.7. They also said that
the zinc and phosphorus is very high in MTL. Sulphr is
yet to arrive but again I have to say, thus far, MTL
does not 'match' honey in its make up.
Sulfer results to come. 
I've gone over my bandwidth in my fototime account so it's resizing them automatically. Anyone want to host so ppl can read em?
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