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Originally posted by RogerB:
Now, I know a lot of guys "recommend" servicing the MTX, but has Ford ever made mention of a service interval?
This is what my 96 manual states.
Manual Transaxle Fluid
The lubricant level and quality should not deteriorate under
normal driving conditions. However, you should have the fluid level checked occasionally. If lubricant is required, see Lubricant Specifications in this chapter.
Normal driving conditions? Define normal? All of us drive in extreme conditions. It's like the platinum plugs lasting 100k. It goes with everything on the car, flush the coolant, trans, fluid, change fuel filters etc etc. How well do want your car to perform and last? I'd say change the trans. fluid every 40k minimum.
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That black coating looks a lot like the black coating that you usually find all over everthing when you remove a diff cover to change the diff fluid. I'm sure that it is fluid related. On the diffs, it is not supposed to be harmful. Remember that usually diffs have stronger additives, especially ep (extreme pressure) additives to put up with the higher pressures from the hypoid cut gears. Some of these ep additives are what makes diff gear oil unsuitable for manual transmission use.
I wonder just what MTL has in it.
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Hello! Just what Terry has been saying all along!!!!!! Apparently no one can grasp this for unknown reasons.
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We dont know that for sure yet, the lab tests aren't back. At this point we dont know exactly WHAT is causing that. What if hte tests of the MTL come back and there are 0 EP additives? Its all speculation until we get the results back from the lab.
For now, I'm going with what Terry recommends: Straight up Ford Honey, no FM, as per Ford's official recommendation via TSB, until we know more from the tests.
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I just sent an e-mail to one of my Lubrizol contacts, so hopefully I'll have more information to share soon.
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Anyone want to put $ where their mouth is on this issue before the lab results come back? 
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all i know after reading as much of this as i could, is that my upcoming fluid change will involve 3 qts of Penzoil Syncromesh......
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by RogerB:
Now, I know a lot of guys "recommend" servicing the MTX, but has Ford ever made mention of a service interval?
This is what my 96 manual states.
Manual Transaxle Fluid
The lubricant level and quality should not deteriorate under
normal driving conditions. However, you should have the fluid level checked occasionally. If lubricant is required, see Lubricant Specifications in this chapter.
Normal driving conditions? Define normal? All of us drive in extreme conditions. It's like the platinum plugs lasting 100k. It goes with everything on the car, flush the coolant, trans, fluid, change fuel filters etc etc. How well do want your car to perform and last? I'd say change the trans. fluid every 40k minimum.
I missed that part of my 96 manual last night, but it's also out of date.
I'm frankly not interested in anybody's "recommendations" right now. (Well, I appreciate them, but I've already read them.) I'm looking for documentation.
Either way, I'll be changing my fluid as soon as I can, as it is nearing 75k on the original fluid. I would just like to see what the factory perceives as a valid reason to service.
[rant]As for "recommendations," I've been involved in these discussions before with Terry, and when I asked for clarification from Terry on whether or not to use the FM with the honey, I got nothing but silence. Maybe he felt he already answered that somewhere else, or he was sick of saying it, or he just didn't see it. Then, IIRC, I got some other yahoos chiming in, and there are still people "over there" recommending ZL-7 with everything. Meanwhile I've got the service tech at the local dealer telling me there's no reason to ever service the MTX.  I've had it with the circle jerk. Lemmings, my arse. The 3 or 4 people I respect the most can't even agree on stuff around here, and half the time we get "Oops...that wasn't right" a couple years later. It pays to be slow to act, sometimes, and this thread is proof of that.
Sorry. Had to vent. [/rant]
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Originally posted by todras:
Anyone want to put $ where their mouth is on this issue before the lab results come back?
Anyone want to swing from Terry's righty, to keep the balance from Todd holding onto his lefty?
No offense, but there are some people on here stating that they've been using the MTL with no ill effects. I'm not backing them up, as I've never used the product. I do like to be presented with all evidence before making a decision, so I'll keep my money in my wallet on this bet. I could care less if the lab tests come back proving that MTL will eat a hole in the tranny case and make every part inside dissinigrate, but to rule them out because of one or two instances is a little quick, IMHO.
Anyone on here that's owned their car since NEW, and knows their maintenance history that is running MTL? 
Mark
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My only problem with MTL was rough shifting.
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