Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Big Jim:
Obviously The immediate impression of the Ford honey + XL3 was that there was a slight improvement over ATF+3, but not much. As time has gone on, the improvement has gradually continued to increase.


Psst. Changing 60k mile old ATF may have been why the shifting got better.

In all seriousness.



Perhaps I left out some detail. I never left any ATF, Mercon or ATF+3, in the trans for 60,000 miles.

When the ATF+3 was installed the first time at 45,000 miles, the Mercon had already been changed twice. For the next 105,000 miles, the ATF+3 had been changed 3 times. It is the Fod Honey that has been in 60,000 miles and is due for a change, but it is working so well I'm a little reluctant. I may run it another 10,000 miles or so.

On another note, friction modifier is one of the many types of additives that are used in blending different types of lubricants. Even Mercon has friction modifiers before any more is added. It just doesn't seem to have enough.

It may help to study this web site. Specialty Formulations is a boutique blender of exceptional fluids.

http://specialtyformulations.com/

Take a look at the write up for MTL-P, a 75W85 GL4 (and GL5) trans oil, and MTFGlide, a manual trans oil for manual transmissions that normally use ATF. You will note that both of them include friction modifier in their formulation. I took the liberty of cutting and pasting the details of both of those products below.

MTL-P, Synthetic Manual Transmission GL4/GL5 Gear Lube 75W85

1 Quart $9.95

1 Gal. $28.95

MTL-P replaces Honda MTL HG (part number 08798-9016), Nissan/Infiniti HQ Multi 75W85 (part number 999MP-MTF00P), BMW MTF-LT-2 (part number 23 00 7 533 514), and some Audi fluids.

A 75W85 weight oil recommended for manual transmissions and transaxles specifying a 75W85 lubricant. MTL-P is great for manual transmissions and transaxles that experience problems with low temperature shifting.

We start out with the industry�s latest and most advanced PAO Group IV and Group V base fluids and include a robust Extreme Additive (EP) and Anti-Wear (AW) package. For added fuel savings, we add our Pat-Pending friction modifier.

What this means is that MTL-P provides the ultimate in Anti-Wear (AW) and Extreme protection while lowering fuel bills over petroleum gear lubricants.

To prevent rust and corrosion, we use the most advanced rust inhibitors, metal deactivators, and antioxidants. MTL-P provides plenty of protection for copper-alloy metals such as a bronze and brass bearings and synchronizers. Sintered metal synchronizers are protected as well. Shifting is smooth and detent is crisp with MTL-P.

MTL-P is compatible with old and new transmission seals.

Instructions: No need to rinse transmission. Simply add and replace filler plugs.



Specifications (Average)

SAE 75W85

Color Lavender

Gravity API 28.1

K. Viscosity@100C 11.5 cSt

K. Viscosity@40 C 82

Pour Point -40 F

Specific Gravity 0.87

Viscosity Index 121



Specialty Formulations is not responsible for misuse of this product. Wash hands after use. Keep out of reach of children.



MTFGlide GL4/GL5

1 Qt. $9.95

1 Gal. $28.95

A low viscosity synthetic transmission fluid for manual transmissions that normally require an ATF. This fluid has the same viscosity as ATF fluid but 5 times the AW/EP additives, and has a GL4 EP additive package. MTFGlide gives your manual transmission superb shifting qualities while protecting the gearing, bearings, and shifter forks. Special friction modifiers guarantee synchronizer and blocker ring engagement are smooth as silk. MTFGlide uses the best synthetic fluids and additives to provide excellent cold weather shifting, positive detent, and protection for yellow metals and sintered synchronizers.

We start out with the industry�s latest and most advanced PAO Group IV and Group V base fluids and include a robust Extreme Additive (EP) and Anti-Wear (AW) package. For added fuel savings, we add our Pat-Pending friction modifier.

What this means is that MTFGlide provides the ultimate in Anti-Wear (AW) and Extreme Pressure (EP) protection while lowering fuel bills over petroleum gear lubricants.

To prevent rust and corrosion, we use the most advanced rust inhibitors, metal deactivators, and antioxidants. MTFGlide provides plenty of protection for copper-alloy metals such as a bronze and brass bearings and synchronizers. Sintered metal synchronizers are protected as well. Shifting is smooth and detent is crisp with MTFGlide.

MTFGlide is compatible with all transmission seals. May also be used in Transfer Cases that specify an ATF.

Remove drain plug and drain old oil. Replace drain plug and tighten. Refill according to manufacturer�s specified capacity.

Specifications (Average)



Color Blue

K. Viscosity@ 100 7.5 cSt

K. Viscosity@ 40 39

Pour Point -45 F

Viscosity Index 197

Flash Point 455 F


Specialty Formulations is not responsible for misuse of this product. Wash hands after use. Keep out of reach of children.

Jim Johnson 98 SVT 03 Escape Limited