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Originally posted by todras:
The SHO guys really like GM synchromesh. It's pretty pricey though. About as much as Honey from what I recall.
Also funny Demon isn't running MTL any longer.  I do recall seeing his post now abouy Penn. synchromesh. Sounds pretty scientific. Run it until it shows an issue and then go with something else.
Syncromesh is $5 per quart. Get your facts straight. (sorry forgot who I was asking  )
I switched to Syncromesh when I did the 3L. Syncromesh was only $4 a qt and it was local. I had used Syncromesh on both Mitsu's (ConQuest & Eclipse) with great success so I went with it. 2 years later and it's doing great. It was replaced at the 1 year mark because I sheared an axle. (last fall at the track) It came out looking as fresh as the new stuff.
When I ran the cocktail the fluid came out black and had a horrid smell to it. I changed it every year. This is part of the reason why I stopped recommending ATF and say if you do run ATF you had better change it every year. It has ZERO longevity and below average protection! 
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Originally posted by Big Jim:
Obviously The immediate impression of the Ford honey + XL3 was that there was a slight improvement over ATF+3, but not much. As time has gone on, the improvement has gradually continued to increase.
Psst. Changing 60k mile old ATF may have been why the shifting got better.
In all seriousness.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Get your facts straight. (sorry forgot who I was asking )
Lets try to keep this thread informational okay. It wasnt stickied for you to throw your snotty little comments in here or there. Some people are trying to learn from this...
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:
Originally posted by todras:
Synthetic is so slippery it doesn't allow the synchros to spin up fast enough to make the shift.
And how is friction modifier going to help that if it makes lube MORE slippery? Do a search outside CEG. This isn't fabricated: friction modifier reduces friction.
If friction mod was so needed, why has Ford NEVER recommended it? Who HAD first recommended it you ask? Demon has, and Terry has (according to a search in the archives), but both of them with the idea that friction modifer ADDs friction. It seems that was a misconception.
Because it's a different additive and helps reduce drag so the synch's can spool up faster & engage.
Worse then a broken record. Empirical proof from several sources against his position yet he spouts the same nonsense. 
Why do you think I've been against the additive for years??? 
There is also the fact most LSD additive have highly concentrated corrosive high pressure additives in them. This is because a RWD differential does not have brass blocker rings and they use it to reduce wear.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Syncromesh is $5 per quart. Get your facts straight.
Actually GM synchromesh is about $10 a qt from a local dealer. Where are you getting it for $5 a quart? From what I've heard the Penn. is the same as GM w/o the name. Maybe that's what you're putting in? Pennzoil sync. I'm not a mind reader.
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Originally posted by RawDirte':
Some people are trying to learn from this...
Unfortunately most people are not.
They are blind lap dogs that believe almost anything that is fed to them without actually having valid proof.
The rarity is the people that have not ignorantly believed what has been spoutted and have done the research, work, fabrication, and projects themselves. These are the people that every one should be listening to. They are the ones that are not stuck in the past and behind glass ceilings because they can't think outside the box and can't see other people's real world data proving things otherwise.
The problem is that your "some" people make up a Very small percentage. I do applaud those people with all my heart. The rest...
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Correct todras.
Pennzoil makes SyncroMesh for any label that sells SyncroMesh. (GM, QS, etc)
RP's SyncroMAX is suppose to be a fully synthetic version of Syncromesh. It looks interesting.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
There is also the fact most LSD additive have highly concentrated corrosive high pressure additives in them.
Does XL-7? So maybe MOST do. Pretty blanket statement. Not all additives are the same as previously posted i.e. active/nonactive.
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
There is also the fact most LSD additive have highly concentrated corrosive high pressure additives in them.
Does XL-7? So maybe MOST do. Pretty blanket statement. No all additives are the same as previously posted i.e. active/nonactive.
Since Ford does not release the specs but also does not make their own fluids...
Yes it is a blanket statement based on every single LSD additive I could find specs for. (i.e. they all had them)
That's not 100% proof but it's close.
It is infinitely more accurate then saying that the additive lets the syncros "bite" better because it reduces friction. (which has no logic to it of course)
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Why do you think I've been against the additive for years???
Well since MTL has FM's in it already why aren't you against it?
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