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Originally posted by spgoode:
Correct, faith is belief without eveidence.
No, that's not what I said. Faith is belief without proof.
Originally posted by Davo:
Since there is mounds of evidence supporting evolution, how does this statement jive with the other? Faith has nothing to do with science.
What you understand to be faith is not what I'm talking about. I'm saying science is a type of faith (NOT RELIGIOUS FAITH!!!), because you believe things that cannot or are not proven, such as evolution.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Again, that the Earth was flat and that the Earth was the center of the universe was so well-substantiated and proven at one point or another. For someone who claims to be such an important part of the scientific community, you don't know the history of science for Jack Schitt.
You seem to be confused. The earth-centric theory of the universe was essentially a religious and a Christian notion - not a scientific one. Unlike evolution, there was never been any scientific data to support the earth-centric theory.
As you know, the Catholics persisted in this belief, long after it was disproved by science - to the extent of persecuting any scientist or anyone else who proclaimed that the earth was NOT the center of the universe.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
There is no empirical evidence of God. It's that simple. There is no empirical evidence of Jesus. None of Moses, none of the Ten Commandment tablets, Noah's Ark, or the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail. None of it. Humans and DNA are proven fact. Evolution is FAR closer to being proven on any scale. You only have to look at humankind as proof of evolution. And I'm not talking being descended from apes. Just in our OWN existence. From the first recorded human all the way to us. WE have changed. Even in the last few hundred years we have different features. Our appendix does nothing because we learned how to create fire.
Are you talking about the finches? Or the mosquitos in the trees? Or the pictures of the in-utero animals and humans that were SO similar? Or, how about the human bones that were supposedly from the same person?
The MOUNDS of evidence that SCIENCE has given us about the THEORY of evolution have failed the tests of time and truth.
And speaking of empirical evidence...
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em�·pir�·i�·cal Audio pronunciation of "empirical" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-p�®r-kl)
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1. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
2. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine.
Notice # 2. Guided by PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE AND NOT THEORY Notice # 1 FROM OBSERVATION OR EXPERIMENT
There has been no practical experience of evolution, only theory. There has been no observation or experiment that showed evolution to be anything but a theory.
Empirically speaking, I can give you so much proof of Jesus Christ and my relationship with Him, not to mention millions of others "empirical" proof of His existence.
As for looking at humans and how we have changed. We have adapted to our society's. We have changed in that we have adapted to fit into the world as we know it. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like a person from the northern United States can handle cold more than I, a Texas born southerner, can, we adapt to our world around us.
Evolution is a farce.
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There has been no practical experience of evolution, only theory. There has been no observation or experiment that showed evolution to be anything but a theory.
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I know that this is from the Wikipedia and may be subject to some issues however it states some pretty good stuff.
There has been loads of evidence based on genetics that furthers the theory, how do you explain that we have similar genetic backgrounds to just about every living thing on the planet? Why are we 98% similar genetically to Bonobo Chimps?? This is hard emperical evidence based on genetics. If you don't beleive in genetics, what science do you beleive in?
Evidence of Evolution
interesting article but a little inflamatory (not htat some of the creationist articles aren't either)
Evolution is a fact and a theory
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Originally posted by jlanger:
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There has been no practical experience of evolution, only theory. There has been no observation or experiment that showed evolution to be anything but a theory.
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I know that this is from the Wikipedia and may be subject to some issues however it states some pretty good stuff.
There has been loads of evidence based on genetics that furthers the theory, how do you explain that we have similar genetic backgrounds to just about every living thing on the planet? Why are we 98% similar genetically to Bonobo Chimps?? This is hard emperical evidence based on genetics. If you don't beleive in genetics, what science do you beleive in?
Evidence of Evolution
interesting article but a little inflamatory (not htat some of the creationist articles aren't either)
Evolution is a fact and a theory
Because 98+ of DNA coding is for proteins common to all living things (let's just stick to the Animal Kingdom). An Intelligent Designer would be foolish not to use the same coding for the same protien synthesis in all animals, as it is such a complex process, it simply could not have propagated across species by evolutionary methods without harmful variations.
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it simply could not have propagated across species by evolutionary methods without harmful variations.
Wouldn't those harmful variations just die off and not reproduce, hence evolution?? The ones that don't work are miscarried or die in nature, ie animals wihtout legs, or too many, or harmful mutations. Mutations that could be helpful such as white fur in winter climates could come in very handy and the speicies would change, rather rapid or slow is irrelavant, they still change, eventually becoming different then populations in a warmer client.
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An Intelligent Designer would be foolish not to use the same coding for the same protien synthesis in all animals, as it is such a complex process
Anyways if you go the ID approach things fall down toward earth becuase it's the ID easiest way for them to fall??? Not because of Gravity? ID is an easy way out for explaining things. Anyways if you go with this argument, ID is basically admiting that evolution happens, we did evolve from anscestor but we don't understand the mechanism for it. Hence the ID set it all in place. Maybe they did, it still doesn't mean that we didn't evolve. Evolution woudl default to the best mechanism availble, (much like a ID) and as you can see with fruit flies when they breed back to "normal" after human manipulation.
Evolution can be proven, microevolution simply being easy to show because we can see it in our lifetime i.e. nylon eating bacteria. Macroevolution is a little more difficult to show, we can't see it physically but can use DNA and fossils (which really aren't too much of the basis btw).
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Empirically speaking, I can give you so much proof of Jesus Christ and my relationship with Him, not to mention millions of others "empirical" proof of His existence.
I'd love to hear this.
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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
Empirically speaking, I can give you so much proof of Jesus Christ and my relationship with Him, not to mention millions of others "empirical" proof of His existence.
I'd love to hear this.
I would too!!!
Like to know about the other 3-4 billion people who'd disagree with you as well (or would talk about someone/something else).
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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
Empirically speaking, I can give you so much proof of Jesus Christ and my relationship with Him, not to mention millions of others "empirical" proof of His existence.
I'd love to hear this.
oh jesus christ doug dont get him started..wc of course nobodys viewed evolution happening....thats the stupidist response to a question i've ever heard in my twenty five years of hearing bullsh-t responses
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I didn't say that we haven't seen evolution happening, there are lots of examples of "micro" evolution, i.e. nylon eating bacteria, antibiotic resistant bacteria, etc.
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