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Originally posted by bishop375:
And while we're at it, I ask a simple question-
Why is it that when an athlete wins, he thanks God, but doesn't blame him when he loses?
Because he has class.
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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by JEDsContour:
Evolution is one of the most basic features of our universe. It is so well substantiated and proven that people who question its existence can most kindly be described as ââ?¬Ë?silly.ââ?¬â?¢
Yes, that must be why its called the "theory" of evolution and not the "fact" of evolution. 
Gravity is a theory too...
No, it's the law! 
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Speaking of religious zealots...
I see you only come out when the rest of the liberal bottom feeders come out. Very nice.
Seriously though, I don't know why people like ODC think Creationists are the ones that should accept evolutionists' points. Evolution involves the same sorts of things that you can't see or touch or hear that Creationism involves.
Wrong.
Fossils and other prehistoric remnants exist. Jesus and everything else is for the better term, here-say and second-hand sources.
Again, nobody's answered this; occam's razor states that "given two predictable theories, choose the simpler". Which is simpler; 1) that there is a missing link that has yet to be found or 2) that some being that we have no trace, or evidence, or remains exists that kickstarted everything including all the stories postulated in the Bible ?
Ps. I'm born a Roman Catholic, will die a Roman Catholic and I think you wacko southern US nutjobs are giving us a bad name.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by JEDsContour:
Evolution is one of the most basic features of our universe. It is so well substantiated and proven that people who question its existence can most kindly be described as ââ?¬Ë?silly.ââ?¬â?¢
Yes, that must be why its called the "theory" of evolution and not the "fact" of evolution.
Gravity is a theory too...
No, it's the law!
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Originally posted by ODC:
Ps. I'm born a Roman Catholic, will die a Roman Catholic and I think you wacko southern US nutjobs are giving us a bad name.
LOL! Since when is Nebraska southern?
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Originally posted by ODC:
Fossils and other prehistoric remnants exist. Jesus and everything else is for the better term, here-say and second-hand sources.
What is a fossil? It's a second-hand source. How do you know that fossils came from animals? Did you see the animals, and then watch as their fossils were made after they died? No, you didn't. You believe that fossils represent animals that lived a long time ago.
Originally posted by ODC:
Again, nobody's answered this; occam's razor states that "given two predictable theories, choose the simpler". Which is simpler; 1) that there is a missing link that has yet to be found or 2) that some being that we have no trace, or evidence, or remains exists that kickstarted everything including all the stories postulated in the Bible ?
Are you trying to argue that the theory of evolution is simpler than believing in God? You and others like you constantly talk the simple-mindedness of people with faith, yet here you're saying their views are more complex. I'm confused.
Occam's Razor works fine for you with the assumption that there is no evidence of God. I (and billions of other people) would argue that our existence itself is evidence of God. That's what having faith is. If you think your ability (or lack thereof) to argue this matter comes from nothing more than DNA, then God bless you. 
Originally posted by ODC:
Ps. I'm born a Roman Catholic, will die a Roman Catholic
LMAO This is like saying "I'm not racist, most of my friends are black".
Originally posted by ODC:
and I think you wacko southern US nutjobs are giving us a bad name.
Southern United States
Do you not know which one Nebraska is?  I'm originally from Wisconsin, which is even more non-southern.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by ODC:
Fossils and other prehistoric remnants exist. Jesus and everything else is for the better term, here-say and second-hand sources.
What is a fossil? It's a second-hand source. How do you know that fossils came from animals? Did you see the animals, and then watch as their fossils were made after they died? No, you didn't. You believe that fossils represent animals that lived a long time ago.
I believe that when you put all of these fossils together to build an animal time and time again that has NO recorded history, be it cave paintings or written eye witness accounts, it's obvious they were around before humans. There's a reason fossils are on display in every major museum of natural history. Or are you saying that some fruitcake has managed to bury these bones of other animals around the world just to make a giant joke?
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by ODC:
Again, nobody's answered this; occam's razor states that "given two predictable theories, choose the simpler". Which is simpler; 1) that there is a missing link that has yet to be found or 2) that some being that we have no trace, or evidence, or remains exists that kickstarted everything including all the stories postulated in the Bible ?
Are you trying to argue that the theory of evolution is simpler than believing in God? You and others like you constantly talk the simple-mindedness of people with faith, yet here you're saying their views are more complex. I'm confused.
The simpler ANSWER is the choice presented. Not the simpler theory.
Originally posted by Davo:
Occam's Razor works fine for you with the assumption that there is no evidence of God. I (and billions of other people) would argue that our existence itself is evidence of God. That's what having faith is. If you think your ability (or lack thereof) to argue this matter comes from nothing more than DNA, then God bless you.
There is no empirical evidence of God. It's that simple. There is no empirical evidence of Jesus. None of Moses, none of the Ten Commandment tablets, Noah's Ark, or the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail. None of it. Humans and DNA are proven fact. Evolution is FAR closer to being proven on any scale. You only have to look at humankind as proof of evolution. And I'm not talking being descended from apes. Just in our OWN existence. From the first recorded human all the way to us. WE have changed. Even in the last few hundred years we have different features. Our appendix does nothing because we learned how to create fire.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
...I highly recommend A History of God for any of you who have ever questioned faith, and have wondered where it all began...
Ah, another fan of Karen Armstrong, I see. Pick up the rest of her works if you haven't already; she's yet to write a book that I dislike.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
I believe ...
Finally someone gets the point!
Originally posted by bishop375:
Or are you saying that some fruitcake has managed to bury these bones of other animals around the world just to make a giant joke?
No. My point is that the inference that fossils are remains from prehistoric animals requires the same sort of faith as believing that God made the Earth. You believe in scientists, others believe in God.
Originally posted by bishop375:
The simpler ANSWER is the choice presented. Not the simpler theory.
Soooooo ... what is the simpler answer? The most complex natural process in the universe, or that God exists. If evolution was the simpler answer, they would have thought of it first.
Originally posted by bishop375:
There is no empirical evidence of God. It's that simple. There is no empirical evidence of Jesus. None of Moses, none of the Ten Commandment tablets, Noah's Ark, or the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail. None of it. Humans and DNA are proven fact. Evolution is FAR closer to being proven on any scale. You only have to look at humankind as proof of evolution. And I'm not talking being descended from apes. Just in our OWN existence. From the first recorded human all the way to us. WE have changed. Even in the last few hundred years we have different features. Our appendix does nothing because we learned how to create fire.
If there was proof for everything, then there would be no faith. You have faith in the theories of evolution, and that's fine, I'm not going to call you a nutjob or a zealot.
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Originally posted by Davo:
If there was proof for everything, then there would be no faith.
Correct, faith is belief without eveidence.
Originally posted by Davo:
You have faith in the theories of evolution, and that's fine, I'm not going to call you a nutjob or a zealot.
Since there is mounds of evidence supporting evolution, how does this statement jive with the other? Faith has nothing to do with science.
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