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Originally posted by JEDsContour:
Religion can be a very comforting thing, but don't use it as an excuse not to think. Open your eyes! It�s true that Science is a construct of man. But don�t denigrate it for that reason. Use it as a way to enjoy, appreciate and understand the wonders of the world around us.
I like that. It sings.
Originally posted by JEDsContour:
Scientific theories are incredible things ââ?¬â?? truly the crown jewels of manââ?¬â?¢s acheivments.
The last bit though, could be said of faith perhaps? Is there no greater discipline than to have faith, even under the scorching microscope of science?
The power of faith should be respected, perhaps even revered, but if twisted can be a terrible scourge as we are learning yet again in mans history.
I guess I'm leading up to saying that faith is a personal issue that belongs in the home in the hands of the parents & preachers. After all, there are many cultures out there that don't read the bible.
School should be at once an oasis for science, math, and social studies, as well as a melting pot that exposes the student to the myriad of possibilities at hand. School should not be a tool for marginalizing faith, & indoctrination of the faithless. If nothing else, a nod should be given to the various beliefs that are represented in a classroom. This country was in part founded by groups trying to escape religious persecution. Revel in the diversity.
I'm tired. I hope all that made some sort of sense.
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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Nate S:
ignorance is bliss...
religion is the opiate of the masses...
That is a tired old line, isn't it. Just because you have no faith, don't discount everybody who does.
It has its place. You choose not to make use of it fine for you. Others do make use of it. IMHO civilization as it stands now would not exist if not for religion.
Right. It might be more peaceful. If no religion existed there wouldn't be nearly as many conflicts going on right now. As far as I am concerned, there is no place fore religion, it just leads to violence in 'gods name'. My 2cents.
That's a rather miopic view. Frankly, I like leaders who have some sort of faith as I can use it as a gauge to anticipate how they would govern. Faith as a guide is a good thing IMHO.
Conflicts usually arise over things such as greed, i.e. money, minerals, resources, or historical racial animocity like you see in Croatia. Religion typically teaches quite the opposite to what you suggest. When a leader discards the guide offered by faith is when religion becomes a political tool & is twisted as a means to an end.
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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Nate S:
ignorance is bliss...
religion is the opiate of the masses...
That is a tired old line, isn't it. Just because you have no faith, don't discount everybody who does.
It has its place. You choose not to make use of it fine for you. Others do make use of it. IMHO civilization as it stands now would not exist if not for religion.
Right. It might be more peaceful. If no religion existed there wouldn't be nearly as many conflicts going on right now. As far as I am concerned, there is no place fore religion, it just leads to violence in 'gods name'. My 2cents.
...i agree with the both of you....but i guess that makes us ignorant and unable to grasp the "true meaning of religion"...(scurries off to the corner with the rest of uninteligent rejects)
"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."-Aristophanes.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Nate S:
ignorance is bliss...
religion is the opiate of the masses...
That is a tired old line, isn't it. Just because you have no faith, don't discount everybody who does.
It has its place. You choose not to make use of it fine for you. Others do make use of it. IMHO civilization as it stands now would not exist if not for religion.
Right. It might be more peaceful. If no religion existed there wouldn't be nearly as many conflicts going on right now. As far as I am concerned, there is no place fore religion, it just leads to violence in 'gods name'. My 2cents.
That's a rather miopic view. Frankly, I like leaders who have some sort of faith as I can use it as a gauge to anticipate how they would govern. Faith as a guide is a good thing IMHO.
Conflicts usually arise over things such as greed, i.e. money, minerals, resources, or historical racial animocity like you see in Croatia. Religion typically teaches quite the opposite to what you suggest. When a leader discards the guide offered by faith is when religion becomes a political tool & is twisted as a means to an end.
right, because people who have a solid hold on faith are the only ones capable of leading...not buying it,
"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."-Aristophanes.
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Originally posted by tour96se:
...(scurries off to the corner with the rest of uninteligent rejects)
Gotta love CEG! The fact you're reading this garbage speaks well of you. You won't be an intellectual reject for long. 
Oops,
garbage = debate
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Originally posted by tour96se:
right, because people who have a solid hold on faith are the only ones capable of leading...not buying it,
Where the heck did I say that?????? All I said was I like a leader who has a known guide upon which to base some of the ethical choices that may arise. Anybody of good character can be a great leader, I just like knowing where such a person might stand as issues come up.
Take it easy, man. Smile.  Relax a little. 
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by ResidentAdvisor:
You do not know if evolution is real or not, but just because you dont know either way doesnt mean it doesnt exist at all.
Interesting how the knife cuts on both edges...
Open your f|_|cking eyes man! Thats what I have been saying the whole time! You think god is real? great!!!! I dont, Im not going to try to argue either way!
Disclamer: Just because you think God/evolution is not real, doesnt mean it is not real! God/evo can be real!
Whoo hoo!
Ps. For the slow: I havent been trying to argue whats real and whats not, I have been saying what I believe and what I dont.
PSS. dont try to push believes and opinions on others whether it be God/Darwin/Monte Python!
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Frankly, I like leaders who have some sort of faith as I can use it as a gauge to anticipate how they would govern. Faith as a guide is a good thing IMHO.
Oh, then you must be a big fan of leaders such as the Ayatollah Khomeini and Osama Bin Laden. They had lots of faith in their God which greatly impacted their theories on governance.
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Frankly, I like leaders who have some sort of faith as I can use it as a gauge to anticipate how they would govern. Faith as a guide is a good thing IMHO.
Oh, then you must be a big fan of leaders such as the Ayatollah Khomeini and Osama Bin Laden. They had lots of faith in their God which greatly impacted their theories on governance.
Wow. Way to twist somebody's words. Pretty low.
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Originally posted by ResidentAdvisor:
To say I have no "moral backbone" or "sense of reality" is rediculous. Because I choose not to be religious I can no longer have morals? BS.
Where was your moral backbone here?
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