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Not once did I ever say that science was a lie. What I did say was that Darwinism, a theory, is a lie. What I did say above is that Carbon dating has more than once proven itself unreliable. It's funny when a very young skull is carbon dated to be many thousands of years old.
Carbon dating is susceptable to pollutants yes, however, there are lots of other measuring devices that are much more reliable
mind you this is from how stuff works.com
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As soon as a living organism dies, it stops taking in new carbon. The ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 at the moment of death is the same as every other living thing, but the carbon-14 decays and is not replaced. The carbon-14 decays with its half-life of 5,700 years, while the amount of carbon-12 remains constant in the sample. By looking at the ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 in the sample and comparing it to the ratio in a living organism, it is possible to determine the age of a formerly living thing fairly precisely.
A formula to calculate how old a sample is by carbon-14 dating is:
t = [ ln (Nf/No) / (-0.693) ] x t1/2
where ln is the natural logarithm, Nf/No is the percent of carbon-14 in the sample compared to the amount in living tissue, and t1/2 is the half-life of carbon-14 (5,700 years).
So, if you had a fossil that had 10 percent carbon-14 compared to a living sample, then that fossil would be:
t = [ ln (0.10) / (-0.693) ] x 5,700 years
t = [ (-2.303) / (-0.693) ] x 5,700 years
t = [ 3.323 ] x 5,700 years
t = 18,940 years old
Because the half-life of carbon-14 is 5,700 years, it is only reliable for dating objects up to about 60,000 years old. However, the principle of carbon-14 dating applies to other isotopes as well. Potassium-40 is another radioactive element naturally found in your body and has a half-life of 1.3 billion years. Other useful radioisotopes for radioactive dating include Uranium -235 (half-life = 704 million years), Uranium -238 (half-life = 4.5 billion years), Thorium-232 (half-life = 14 billion years) and Rubidium-87 (half-life = 49 billion years).
The use of various radioisotopes allows the dating of biological and geological samples with a high degree of accuracy. However, radioisotope dating may not work so well in the future. Anything that dies after the 1940s, when Nuclear bombs, nuclear reactors and open-air nuclear tests started changing things, will be harder to date precisely.
In know that all of this is quite controversial and the dating method has been very hotly debated, you can see one very throrough debate here the radiometric dating game
and you're right evolution is a theory, much as numbers, relativity, and gravity are all theories, adn has been stated before, evolution has undergone many scientific inquiries and until something better comes along to displace it much as relativity displaced gravity which replaced quite a bit before it. However, as said before, you can't "prove" creationism or ID. In fact the given "proof" for ID was actually a proof for evolution, and you're just proving the theory, not a fact, I admit evolution is not fact (can you say that about God?) that is in essence what science is about, knowing that you mihgt not be right but that you have enough proof to show that you might be right.
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Example please...
You aren't going to be able to convince me that my grandma X 1000 was a monkey because that is simply rediculous. If you want to play games, then go play with someone on your level.
Show me proof that you, OH WONDERFUL RESIDENTADVISOR, know everything in this world, that you know how everything comes together, and that you, oh wonderful being that you are, were created from a monkey....
I can give you example after example after example of how my God created this world, and how my God created it with an order that nobody will, in the end, deny.
If my posts really suck, it's simply because you have chosen to live your life without a god, without a moral backbone, and with no sense of reality. Evolution accounts for nothing in our history, and never will.
The only thing an evolution out of chaos creates is more chaos.
Come on WC, why you gotta play it like that? I know I cant convince you about evolution, thats why I didnt try. I also said you cant convince me otherwise, but you still felt the need to make a feeble attempt at trying.
It was wrong of me to say your posts "suck" but they are not very good arguments, and not because I believe in Darwinism, but because logically your arguments have been very weak and full of fallacy.
To say I have no "moral backbone" or "sense of reality" is rediculous. Because I choose not to be religious I can no longer have morals? BS. I dont need religion to do that, I have education, and thats all I feel that I need. And it would be I with the better "sense of reality". My opinions are more concrete and easier to grasp. Religion is more abstract and based on your own faith. I choose not to go the abstract route because that is the path I have chosen.
The example after example you can give to me that proves gods existence will only prove to someone like me his non existance. Are you starting to understand why you cant push your opinions on everyone?
You do not know if evolution is real or not, but just because you dont know either way doesnt mean it doesnt exist at all. This is one example of the many fallacies you have commited in this thread.
And I never said that I know everything, I just said I chose my belief and it will take something more than someone from CEG to make me believe otherwise.
Maybe you think I am going to hell, well thats great, thank you, but I dont believe that either of us will. Dont get so upset that someone disagrees with you.
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Originally posted by jlanger:
I admit evolution is not fact (can you say that about God?)
yes. He is simply a character in a book according to some.
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Remember when people thought the planets and moons were devine heavenly bodies made by God and early astronomers were chastised for their studies when they concluded otherwise? score one for science...
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Science is good, and very important. It is amazing to see how our world works and why it works the way it does. When you, and everybody else, take a theory and run with it, expecting every nincompoop around you to believe it simply because it is "science," then count me out. I don't claim to know everything, but a THEORY is a THEORY for a reason.
â??but a THEORY is a THEORY for a reason.â? About the only thing youâ??ve said that rings true â??? though I am sure you did not intend it so. You are really coming across as a stunningly ignorant and closed-minded man. Not an insult, just a statement of the evident facts based on your posts.
Scientists donâ??t use the term â??theoryâ? the same way you do. To you a theory is little more than a guess. You could try to learn the vocabulary of the community you are so intent on harassing â??? of course it would require some work and mental discipline. A dictionary definition is not enough. Scientific theories are meant to be used, and only in the solving of problems and relating of facts are their true nature understood.
I so seldom meet in person someone like you. Tell us a little about yourself and your background. What does the world look like to you? I imagine it must seem a very scary and confusing place. How did you ever get this way in this country?
Religion can be a very comforting thing, but don't use it as an excuse not to think. Open your eyes! Itâ??s true that Science is a construct of man. But donâ??t denigrate it for that reason. Use it as a way to enjoy, appreciate and understand the wonders of the world around us.
Scientific theories are incredible things â??? truly the crown jewels of manâ??s acheivments.
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I still to this day as well dont' understand why Creationism and Evolution HAS to be mutually exclusive to the eyes of the religious zealots.
Why can't the deity of your religion have just kickstarted the entire universe (big bang) ? I'm pretty sure God didn't want everybody to take the Bible so damned literally and to the hilt.
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Originally posted by ODC:
I still to this day as well dont' understand why Creationism and Evolution HAS to be mutually exclusive to the eyes of the religious zealots.
Probably for the same reason Creationism and evolution aren't mutually exclusive in the eyes of evolutionist zealots.
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Speaking of religious zealots...
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Originally posted by ResidentAdvisor:
You do not know if evolution is real or not, but just because you dont know either way doesnt mean it doesnt exist at all.
Interesting how the knife cuts on both edges...
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by Nate S:
ignorance is bliss...
religion is the opiate of the masses...
That is a tired old line, isn't it. Just because you have no faith, don't discount everybody who does.
It has its place. You choose not to make use of it fine for you. Others do make use of it. IMHO civilization as it stands now would not exist if not for religion.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Nate S:
ignorance is bliss...
religion is the opiate of the masses...
That is a tired old line, isn't it. Just because you have no faith, don't discount everybody who does.
It has its place. You choose not to make use of it fine for you. Others do make use of it. IMHO civilization as it stands now would not exist if not for religion.
Right. It might be more peaceful. If no religion existed there wouldn't be nearly as many conflicts going on right now. As far as I am concerned, there is no place fore religion, it just leads to violence in 'gods name'. My 2cents.
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