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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Kane:
Originally posted by Mikey Boy:
the bible is far from fact, and to think it is fact breeds ingnorance.
==read above for my huge post!==
Come on, don't sugar coat it. Tell us what you really think! 
OK, but it'll have to be later! 
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The cool thing about theories is that they can be proven false and can NOT be proven true. Theories arent fact no matter how much you want them to be, but its all we have. How rays of light creates colors and is seen by your eye is a theory, but I dont see any of you arguing against that and saying "its just theory"
This is such a tired argument. They are just two ways of thinking of how the we got here. No one on CEG or in the world is ever going to prove either of them in our lifetime. I do enjoy how some of the pro-creation posts really suck (wooden cross, among others).
I know I am not going to be able to convince intellegent designerists that their great X 1000 grandma is a damn monkey. And you arent going to convince me that "we are just too complex lolz!" and we were put here by some fictional character created by man. END
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kinda upset that I missed this great post. I was in on the last big creationist debate it was really fun adn a bit too consuming lol.
anways to answer the last question about monkeys here ya go
"Neanderthals... hah! If we all came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys around? Where are all of the in betweens?"
the prevailing evidence and such show fossil records that we did not actually evolve from monkeys, monkeys are realted to us in much the same way that cats and dogs are realted they had a common ancestor couple 60 or so million years ago. The fossil record shows lots of various species working up the chain from there that split created what we would know as monkey adn apes, from there if you go up the ape side, you'd come to another split were homonids (upright walkers) and great apes (chimps, gorillas, etc.) split. There were quite a few species of homonids along the way to us, such as austrolopithicines (of whihc there are quite a few variations), Homo habilus, homo erectus, the homo sapiens. Yes there was a homo sapiens before Neanderthal!! there were VARIATIONS in the sapiens line, you had two basic ones archaic homo sapiens and homo sapiens neanderthal (of which there is a great deal of controversy whether it should be homo sapiens N. or just homo neanderthal I'm not quite up to date on my record nor taxonomy so just bear with me.) Now after the end of one of the really big ice ages, about (I think) 50-60k years ago, neanderthal disappeared, there are lots of hypothesis about this, includding interbreeding, disease, warfare etc. I beleive that interbreeding has been genetically disproven, there is no sign of neanderthal genes in us, thats not to say that no interbreeding occured, its just that whatever happened didn't continue to breed again. So now we just have homo sapiens sapiens after another 50-60k years of evolution, and we continually change.For example, look at the recent changing of puberty in young girls, it's much younger now then it was 100 years ago, early THEORIES about this include artificial light messing with biological clocks, better nutrition among many others. Now this would be humans adapting to environment, it'll be interesting to see whether its for the good or bad of the species.
Anyways I hope that this fuels the fire a little bit, and I'd like to add a bit of a disclaimer, my wife is an evolutionary archeologist who is the one who gives me my information that and her books lol, if I get a date or name wrong please don't hold it against me.
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Originally posted by ResidentAdvisor:
This is such a tired argument. They are just two ways of thinking of how the we got here. No one on CEG or in the world is ever going to prove either of them in our lifetime. I do enjoy how some of the pro-creation posts really suck (wooden cross, among others).
I know I am not going to be able to convince intellegent designerists that their great X 1000 grandma is a damn monkey. And you arent going to convince me that "we are just too complex lolz!" and we were put here by some fictional character created by man. END
Example please...
You aren't going to be able to convince me that my grandma X 1000 was a monkey because that is simply rediculous. If you want to play games, then go play with someone on your level.
Show me proof that you, OH WONDERFUL RESIDENTADVISOR, know everything in this world, that you know how everything comes together, and that you, oh wonderful being that you are, were created from a monkey....
I can give you example after example after example of how my God created this world, and how my God created it with an order that nobody will, in the end, deny.
If my posts really suck, it's simply because you have chosen to live your life without a god, without a moral backbone, and with no sense of reality. Evolution accounts for nothing in our history, and never will.
The only thing an evolution out of chaos creates is more chaos.
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Pre98:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/09/02/neanderthal.reut/index.html
"Others still have suggested that they not only met but may even have interbred"
Might explain why Darwinism can prove itself in the first place 
Blah....blah....blah...blah...blah...blah...blah...
Darwinism this, darwinism that...
Carbon dating this, carbon dating that...
It's all a bunch of bunk...
Totally Agree !
There's an angel pulling levers inside your computer, All these lies propagated by science with silicone this, quantum that, binary here .. lies LIES LIES !!
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woodencross needs to take more college science classes! 
even some high school ones may help! 
community college
creationism = a belief
evolution = a scientific theory
end of argument.
stop thinking about what you learned at church. stop thinking about what your parents told you. start reading about SCIENTIFIC studies that have been done regarding evolution
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Originally posted by DopePope:
i didnt read the article, so my opinion isnt worth much, but if carbon datings reliability is an issue, hasn't it been proven many times to be fairly inaccurate?
as far as evolution/darwinism is concerned, who cares? if you believe one way and you are right, if it turns out you're wrong, sucks for you.
That's such a fallacy to argue that. Just because its been inaccurate and wrong at times due to human error, it can't be used as a tool ?
log(15) = log(3x - 8x)
If some dolt got x=1 out of that equation instead of x=-3 doesn't necessitate that the laws of math are incorrect.
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Originally posted by ODC:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Pre98:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/09/02/neanderthal.reut/index.html
"Others still have suggested that they not only met but may even have interbred"
Might explain why Darwinism can prove itself in the first place
Blah....blah....blah...blah...blah...blah...blah...
Darwinism this, darwinism that...
Carbon dating this, carbon dating that...
It's all a bunch of bunk...
Totally Agree !
There's an angel pulling levers inside your computer, All these lies propagated by science with silicone this, quantum that, binary here .. lies LIES LIES !!
Not once did I ever say that science was a lie. What I did say was that Darwinism, a theory, is a lie. What I did say above is that Carbon dating has more than once proven itself unreliable. It's funny when a very young skull is carbon dated to be many thousands of years old.
Science is good, and very important. It is amazing to see how our world works and why it works the way it does. When you, and everybody else, take a theory and run with it, expecting every nincompoop around you to believe it simply because it is "science," then count me out. I don't claim to know everything, but a THEORY is a THEORY for a reason.
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ignorance is bliss...
religion is the opiate of the masses...
start posting when your head has entered the 21st century and not the 16th.
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Not once did I ever say that science was a lie.
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I don't claim to know everything, but a THEORY is a THEORY for a reason.
And what is religion ?
A theory is an educated hypothesis.
A religion is blind faith.
Even as a catholic, I can believe more than man has evolved through a system of darwinism than an all power omniprescient being micromanaging and creating every living thing in its place.
There's an angel in your CPU pulling levers. That's how computers work. Prove to me otherwise.
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