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I think it's important to have science in school, I just don't think that evolution has been proven well enough to be treated like it is a undeniable fact, which is often how it is taught.
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
For example, look at how close our Earth is to the sun!! If it were even the smallest increment closer, we would FRY! And if it were even the smallest increment further away, we would FREEZE! Obviously, the creator knew what he was doing SCIENTIFICALLY when he DESIGNED AND CREATED THE WORLD!!
Look how close Mercury and Venus are to the the sun. Too close. No life. Utterly useless. Proof that there was no intelligent designer.
Look how far Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are from the sun. Too far and also utterly useless. Further proof that there was no intelligent designer.
Actually, your argument is working against itself. It is true that all the other planets are hostile and unsuitable for life. Woodencross does have a good point, even if he has been manic throughout this thread. If Earth was any different in its orbit, it too would be an environment too harsh for life, like all the other planets of which we know.
In addition, your logic is flawed. You cannot use the absence of known existence of one thing (in this case, life on other planets) to prove the absence of known existence of another thing (in this case, an intelligent designer).
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Look how close Mercury and Venus are to the the sun. Too close. No life. Utterly useless. Proof that there was no intelligent designer.
Look how far Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are from the sun. Too far and also utterly useless. Further proof that there was no intelligent designer.
Wow. So just because something is useless it means there is no Creator? I guess you could use the same argument for people then too right? I mean, if a bum does not work and does not want to and really does nothing but just sit there all day, there must not be a creator. 
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An interesting fact I've heard: the earth rotation is slowing down slowly, and at the rate it's slowing down, if the earth were billions of years old it would have to have been spinning impossibly fast. This isn't necessarily solid proof for anything, but it's something to think about.
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Originally posted by cjbaldw:
Interesting. I will certainly take a look at that website when I get a few spare hours (that's probably how long it'll take me to read everything I would guess  ) I agree and also stated that the Cambrian explosion was not the origin of life, bacteria and algae existed as far back as four billion years ago according to the fossil record, I think we can both agree that amazingly complex animal life did pop up during the Cambrian explosion, and it is this amazing increase in the complexity of life in such a short span with no real empirical fossil record evidence to record transitions that peaks my interest. I agree it is a truly fascinating topic to study overall, let's both keep an open mind about it going forward, hopefully we'll see some awesome debates over the span of our lifetimes as we make new discoveries.
OK. There are much more interesting things happening with evolutionary theory than trying to interpret the Cambrian explosion. The stuff that I am working with now is unbelievably exciting. Evolutionary theory is much richer and more rewarding than just studying fossils.
Here�s a question for you: How do ideas evolve? How are decisions formed in a changing environment?
It�s possible that all these questions are related through a simple set of rules called evolutionary theory.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Wow. So just because something is useless it means there is no Creator? I guess you could use the same argument for people then too right? I mean, if a bum does not work and does not want to and really does nothing but just sit there all day, there must not be a creator.
The point is that in all likelihood there are hundreds, thousands, even millions of planets that do NOT support life as we know it. Many are too hot. Many are too cold. Most lack oxygen and water.
The fact that one of these planets has the right conditions for us to exist is not proof that there's a Creator, anymore than that the absence of life on other planets is proof that there is not.
This is similar to the argument that proof of god's existance is that the ocean levels are just right. 50 feet higher and millions of New Yorkers and Los Angelinos would be living under water and 50 feet lower, the harbors of the east coast and west coast would be unusable.
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Originally posted by 98Ford2L:
An interesting fact I've heard: the earth rotation is slowing down slowly, and at the rate it's slowing down, if the earth were billions of years old it would have to have been spinning impossibly fast. This isn't necessarily solid proof for anything, but it's something to think about.
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That doesn't mean anything - if the rotation is indeed slowing down, that doesn't mean it's been changing at the same rate throughout history.
Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Wow. So just because something is useless it means there is no Creator? I guess you could use the same argument for people then too right? I mean, if a bum does not work and does not want to and really does nothing but just sit there all day, there must not be a creator.
The point is that in all likelihood there are hundreds, thousands, even millions of planets that do NOT support life as we know it. Many are too hot. Many are too cold. Most lack oxygen and water.
The fact that one of these planets has the right conditions for us to exist is not proof that there's a Creator, anymore than that the absence of life on other planets is proof that there is not.
This is similar to the argument that proof of god's existance is that the ocean levels are just right. 50 feet higher and millions of New Yorkers and Los Angelinos would be living under water and 50 feet lower, the harbors of the east coast and west coast would be unusable.
"In all likelihood." Thousands, millions? We know of less than 200 planets, and all the ones outside our solar system have been found within the past few years. We know very little about them. Your second paragraph is absolutely correct. The third... I like the sarcasm 
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Let me point out a couple of important facts-
1.) Nobody knows the EXACT truth of the origin of the species.
2.) Nobody knows for 100% certainty that God (in any of his forms) exists.
3.) The Bible was written by Man, and is therefore fallible.
4.) The religious right jumps on Genesis to support their theories of creation, but as soon as the actual religious decrees and violence show up in the rest of the Old Testament, the Christians denounce it as not being THEIR book. I guess it's ok to believe or agree with only parts of the Bible. Is that ok? Great, because if it is, it's just as ok for Muslims to believe in or agree with only parts of the Koran- for good or bad.
5.) This horse has been beaten to death enough, folks. None of us is going to convince the other that evolution is the exact truth (while it may be MUCH easier to believe than creationism), nor are the others going to convince the rest that creationism is the one and only truth. Time to let this thread fade into the background.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Let me point out a couple of important facts-
1.) Nobody knows the EXACT truth of the origin of the species.
2.) Nobody knows for 100% certainty that God (in any of his forms) exists.
3.) The Bible was written by Man, and is therefore fallible.
4.) The religious right jumps on Genesis to support their theories of creation, but as soon as the actual religious decrees and violence show up in the rest of the Old Testament, the Christians denounce it as not being THEIR book. I guess it's ok to believe or agree with only parts of the Bible. Is that ok? Great, because if it is, it's just as ok for Muslims to believe in or agree with only parts of the Koran- for good or bad.
That is called being a hpyocrite. I used to work for a company that was all born again Christians, ALL of them were drug addicts, adulterer's and retired criminals. Being a born again was their way of "staying on the straight and narrow" I guess. Most of them used God as an crutch to treat people like crap. But it's all OK because they were "born again" and were forgiven for acting like assclowns. The rest of us on the other hand, if you weren't born again you were just "dirty". Unfit in God's eyes. Not going to the kindom of heaven.  I've heard these types refered to as "hypochristians" and it's a fitting term.
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Neanderthals... hah! If we all came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys around? Where are all of the in betweens?
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