I'm going to add my $.02 and reply to a few posts.


Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by JaTo:
Originally posted by Corbett:

You are talking about Allah, not God. He may be your god but he is not THE God. They are not the same.



Then what about Allah and God both being defined be each popular branch of Islam and Christianity as "The God of Abraham"?



They can say they are the same God all day and all night, but that does not mean it is so. All I know is my God loves his people and that is why He sent His Son Jesus. The Bible says if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you shall be saved. It doesn't matter how good of a person you are or what you have done in your past. That is the difference between the God os the Bible (THE God) and the God of Islam.

There is a guarantee with Christianity that if you believe Jesus died on the Cross for your sins, then you will go to Heaven when you die. In Islam, there is not guarantee other than becoming a martyr. And that is why they are not the same God.


Actually, Jesus said that not everyone calling on his name would enter into his kingdom. Belief alone gets you nowhere. How else do you explain the 2nd chapter of James? "faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself."

Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Originally posted by SalKhan:
No. I'm a muslim.


How do you reconcile the fact that your holy book tells you to kill me?




..how do you reconcile the fact that the bible promotes murder and torture of those who don't agree with christian principles.. (moses..red sea..plague..etc)




Moses and all those other old guys had nothing to do directly with Christianity. In case you never noticed, Christianity differs from many of the old ways of the Jews.

Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by BP:

..how do you reconcile the fact that the bible promotes murder and torture of those who don't agree with christian principles.. (moses..red sea..plague..etc



The Bible does not tell us today to kill those who do not agree with Christian principles. Do you need a quick lesson in the difference between the Old and New Testament? Because if you think God says we should kill anyone today then you obviously do need one.

And if you think Moses killed in any of those storied you mentioned, then you have another thing coming. God did that, not Moses. We are no where commanded to kill those who do not agree with Christian principles.


Wrong. Moses did indeed once kill an Egyptian, and God was not exactly happy with him for it.

Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by BP:
the problem is you and others are ignorant to context and meaning as it relates to the koran, so you turn around and use this ignorance to brand islam as promoting violence or as terroristic religion.



And I would have to say you are the same way about the Bible.


The truth is, Islam is no more a terroristic religion than Christianity is. Take that statement as you will. Ever heard of the Crusades? The Inquisition? The Holocaust? All the fault of so-called "Christianity". Funny thing that Jesus taught peace and love. Extremist terrorists are no more Muslim than Hilter was Christian.

Originally posted by steve-o reborn:
ancientsanskrit: Honestly my knowlegde on further experiments following Miller's is limited at best. I just wanted to point out the faults in this one specifically because it a lot of people use it as the confirmation of spontaneous life.

Another thing I wanted to say, about evolution in school: My problem is that in all sciences, the faults and issues with current theories and models are always brought to light and discussed. With evolution, from middle school through highschool, the curriculum has been strictly in support of the evolution theory and never about what could be wrong with it. never. Sigma made a good point about how teaching alternate theories isn't realistic, but I would be happy if a teacher ever showed a class the numerous shortcomings of the most popular academic origin theory in middle/highschool science.


Every time I've taken a biology class, we studied evolution in enough detail that the class understood both the evidence for it and against it. I think that's how it should be. I also think that Creationism should not be taught in school; I hardily support the separation of church and state, and our public schools are a facet of the local government.

Originally posted by sundaydriver33:
I believe in God.
I believe in Evolution.
I don't see any contradiction in my beliefs.

Watch the Bill Moyer's interviews with Joseph Campbell on DVD. It might change your perspective if you have an open mind. Both are Christian men.

http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60030375&trkid=147042

There is room for all beliefs including anarchy & atheism and they are all beautiful.


I do somewhat agree. In the religion vs. science debate, reality is that there is no reason why the two can't coincience peacefully. So maybe God created the world... so maybe he employed evolution as a means to do so. Science can't disprove the Bible, in fact is has been doing the opposite for some time now. Oddly enough, the Old Testament mentions the fact that the earth is a "circle" and "hanging on nothing", long before we knew that it was round, or anything about the mysteries of space. Neither can religion disprove science.

Personally, I don't think either position has any advantage over the other. Microevolution and natural selection are both solid facts, and religion must learn to accept that. There are many holes in the theory of macroevolution, and this is where - if people were open-minded enough - Creationism could fill in the missing pieces. From a mathematical standpoint, it would have taken much, much longer than 4 billion years for our world to evolve to this point, given the fact that there is an infinitesimally small chance of so many factors happening as needed in perfect order with perfect timing - it's nearly impossible. Maybe it is impossible.

After studying the Bible in a good deal of detail, I have become a agnostic theist. I believe in God, but I believe that it is nearly impossible to find the "truth". There are hundreds of denominations of Christianity alone, all of which differ in their faith. How are we to know what's right? That's why I take the standpoint that I do. Thomas Jefferson once said that "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." I love debates and discussions such as these, and my primary purpose is to fuel the fire. I have and will equally oppose both atheists and Christians, largely for the purpose of promoting thought and further discussion.

I feel that in the midst of all this, there are a few words of Albert Einstein which we would all do well to remember: "The important thing is to never stop questioning." Being open-minded is the key.

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