Originally posted by Woodencross:

Science, or our world, shows that God created the world in a very orderly way. It wasn't chaos, as evolution would have you think, that this world came out of. For example, look at how close our Earth is to the sun!! If it were even the smallest increment closer, we would FRY! And if it were even the smallest increment further away, we would FREEZE! Obviously, the creator knew what he was doing SCIENTIFICALLY when he DESIGNED AND CREATED THE WORLD!!



I think you need to consider a little something in the world of science known as the anthropic principle. Moreover, the "weak" anthropic principle. It states that essentially, the only reason the world is the way it is, is because otherwise there would be no one to ask why it is the way it is. This can be translated also as saying that there are an infitismal number of possible planets, worlds, bacteria, and organisms out there in the universe. Any one of them could be precisely like ours, with one little thing different, and it could fail. This failure would likely be at a very early stage in their development, so they would never even reach the point of asking, "how did i get here". In our situation, we are the sumation of all the right mistakes and coincidences to produce us.

I believe that it is incredibly ignorant to simply put science in a trash bin and say, "To hell with it! Human advancement and pursuit of knowledge is phooey! God created us roughly 3,000 years ago and that's that!"

I do also believe that there is a VERY valid theory that has been mentioned a couple of times which is that someone has put in place those perfect coincidences and arrangements and simply let the world develop. This is to say that evolution is VERY much a fact, IMHO. But this also means that there is a God behind the fabric of reality that keeps everything in order, even if that order makes mistakes and does not do everything right the first time.

Originally posted by Woodencross:

Blind faith would be like me looking at my Computer here on my desk and saying that it came out of GOO! I would say, there's no explanation for how it got here, but it's here! And you would look at me like I was crazy and say,"Dude, somebody designed EVERY little part of that computer, and somebody put that computer together by hand, and somebody went to the trouble of putting it in a shipping box, putting it on a truck, and delivering it here, and in then end, somebody even had to hook it up!"



Essentially, your computer did come out of Goo. We all came out of goo. It's the assembly of that goo in the precise order necessary to create us, who in turn assembled the computer, which should be up for debate. Whether there was a God behind it all, or whether we are only here because we are just the right amount of random coincidences. If we were not that perfect amount, we would not be here to ask whether or not we were.

Originally posted by Woodencross:

I would never say that, because I don't believe that anything in this world just happened to get here!! EVOLUTION NEVER TOOK PLACE!! EVOLUTION NEVER COULD CREATE THE WORLD WE HAVE!! Somebody or something designed the world, and something or somebody took the time to put it together to sustain life. That doesn't discount the scientific research!!



Complete foolishness to say this. Just go read a few books, take in some science and realize that you are ignoring 1,000 years of study, experimentation, and reasoning.

Originally posted by Woodencross:

No, it is experience, and knowledge of the reality of things past, present, and future that allows me to go back to the building everyday!!



Please tell me how you have "knowledge" (do you know the difference between knowledge and belief? Please think about this question, at least a bit) of things past and future. If you had this absolute "knowlege" you speak of, you would stop putting up your brick wall of christianity, and at least take into consideration the debate at hand. Instead, it seems to me, that you are doing what so many other hard-headed, stubborn people do. That is, they use Christianity to back up their ignorance like a sword. The true problem lies within you, and you defame Christianity by using it to exemplify your own misgivings and human flaws.

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