Originally posted by JEDsContour:
Originally posted by RandyCSVT:
I must say this before this turns into the evolution vs creationism thing that I feel this will be. Dont bother debating. They are both just theories, and technically not science. Science is all about repetition and testing. We cant test the begining of time so leave it alone.


This is a very ignorant statement. Evolutionary theory is clearly science. Creationism is based on faith and is not scientific in any way.

The problem with this topic is that those arguing the loudest do not have a real understanding of how science works.

People that describe a scientific theory as "just a theory" (implying someone�s wild guess) are not worth listening to except possibly for the entertainment value. So do you have anything entertaining to say on the subject RandyCSVT?
A simple description of terms




Ok let me try and clarify this:

example

Some one makes a hypothesis. An Idea that X will happen if Y or something like that. Researcher tests his hypothesis many times covering any circumstances that may prove him wrong. In the end the threory passes all of its tests and the educated science community accepts your theory is pretty much right.

some guy comes up with the brilliant idea of gravity. He tests his ideas on gravity by dropping stuff. Stuff keeps falling and his ideas on gravity are strengthened.

We can go even deeper than this and go as far as saying science is never fact. Gravity isnt garaunteed. There were a few philosophers we went over in a philosophy of Science class at my university. I might have the wrong guy, but I think Thomas Kuhn made the point that science is never proven fact. Science cant gaurantee gravity will work when I drop something everytime. We are just really sure it will fall because it always has in the past. The main idea is we can only disprove things and the rest is just some level of certainty. We can go deeper, but my main point is we cant test evolution or creation. All we can do is take educated guesses about how things happened. In the end you have faith in something. Evolution leads you to believe in faith that something was there to start the big bang, and creation leads you to have faith in the idea that God was always there.

My problem is that both of these are accepted as theories, when I believe they should remian a hypothesis. I dont think creation should be included as science, and I dont think evolution should be taught as absolute fact. We weren't there. We can only make educated guesses about what might have happened. Scientists should really be saying "F*%& it, we dont know, we werent there but what we see in the world today leads us to believe it might have happened like this."

Originally posted by Who the F are You?:
does your family tree not have any branches on it?

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