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it was worse because of the layout of the city, under sea level surrounded by a river and a lake, and becuase of the general lack of planning and appropriate action. They knew it was coming and they should have had the city evacuated and maybe even fortified for the storm and yet they did nothing. The rich poeple got out because they are generaly smarter than all the poverty ridden people. I know that isnt exactly politicaly correct but it is the truth. People still dont want to leave even though they are in flooded homes swimming in e-coli and oil filled water. how smart is that. Let them die off, then the collective iq of this country will go up. As for those that were unfortunate enough to not be able to get out and want help, we should do all we can to help our fellow citizens in this great time of need. Florida has dealt with a lot of hurricaines and knows what to do. People get out when they know one is coming or they prepair for it.
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Has Florida ever pulled off the complete evacuation of any major city?
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Florida handled their many hurricanes well and should have been a model for NO LA.
Apples and Oranges. Tell me when there was a hurricane in Florida that was comparable to Katrina. Katrina was a natural disaster of unprecented magnitude in this country. I could be wrong, but I bet the deaths in LA attributable to Katrina exceed the deaths in Florida from ALL HURRICANES IN RECORDED HISTORY.
I would think the fact that there have been fewer deaths in FL "in all recorded history" despite, regularly, being hit by larger, more powerful hurricanes, actually gives credence to the argument that Florida has done something right. The fact that so many people died only makes it that much clearer that Lousiana's handling of the entire process was less then stellar.
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Florida handled their many hurricanes well and should have been a model for NO LA.
Apples and Oranges. Tell me when there was a hurricane in Florida that was comparable to Katrina. Katrina was a natural disaster of unprecented magnitude in this country. I could be wrong, but I bet the deaths in LA attributable to Katrina exceed the deaths in Florida from ALL HURRICANES IN RECORDED HISTORY.
EAsily,
Hurricane Andrew???
Let me point out that the Hurricane storm did little damage to New Orleans by itself. It wasn't some unprecedented Hurricane that hurt New Orleans, It was the FLOOD that killed everyone. By my thinking, New Orleans is ON THE DAMN Mississippi River! Floods happen every year and that should have been their most well rehearsed disaster! This means they have even LESS excuse for botching something like this. Floods have much less warning than 5 days like the hurricane gave them; meaning: They should be able to react much quicker to a flood or potential flood.
Florida has little deaths during hurricanes because they face them all the time and have figured out how to handle them. Mississippi is the state that REALLY got hurt by the actual hurricane! We should be shedding tears for those people who really suffered the unprecedented storm.
Does it make sense to you now????
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Florida handled their many hurricanes well and should have been a model for NO LA.
Apples and Oranges. Tell me when there was a hurricane in Florida that was comparable to Katrina. Katrina was a natural disaster of unprecented magnitude in this country. I could be wrong, but I bet the deaths in LA attributable to Katrina exceed the deaths in Florida from ALL HURRICANES IN RECORDED HISTORY.
You know what, I just read your post about blaming the president again that was rightfully locked. We already have enough threads of controversy!
This has nothing to do with an unseen enemy. This has to do with the inappropriate action of civil servants at all levels starting at the BOTTOM. I'd just once like to see you or any of these other people allow those CIVIL SERVANTS start to take responsibility for their own screwups. If you go through EVERY level from the bottom up and then you find that something was still unable to be coped with or unpreventable....then I'll not say a word as you blame the president. Funny, he's the highest on the totem pole in our country, but there are higher authorities.
Why not blame Kofi Anan at the UN for not prepositioning UN troops and supplies to a known impending disaster!
On top of that, why not Blame GOD?????
He's on top of the whole totem pole. WHy didn't God turn the storm? Why didn't god preposition Angels to help the flood victims? Why didn't god start dropping manna from heaven within 24 hours of the flood?
In the end in this world all you can do is learn to take care of you and yours, NOT depend on someone else. If people learn to take care of themselves then there would be a lot less blaming and also a LOT less that needs to be done. Pray to God for help on those things you can't prepare for.
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It's very easy to want to assign blame in these situations (heck, I have in previous posts, in some cases somewhat unfairly...) Here is a really good analysis of the situation. Easily the best (and most objective) that I have read thus far: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4216508.stmAnyone get the feeling that by the time the investigation is done, the report is going to be thick enough to dam one of the levees?
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A genius you are! Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Florida handled their many hurricanes well and should have been a model for NO LA.
Apples and Oranges. Tell me when there was a hurricane in Florida that was comparable to Katrina. Katrina was a natural disaster of unprecented magnitude in this country. I could be wrong, but I bet the deaths in LA attributable to Katrina exceed the deaths in Florida from ALL HURRICANES IN RECORDED HISTORY.
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Originally posted by Phil Rohtla:
It's very easy to want to assign blame in these situations (heck, I have in previous posts, in some cases somewhat unfairly...)
Here is a really good analysis of the situation. Easily the best (and most objective) that I have read thus far:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4216508.stm
Anyone get the feeling that by the time the investigation is done, the report is going to be thick enough to dam one of the levees?
It's interesting to note at the very end that the breach was in an upgraded and reinforced section of levee. This just screams out to me that something HIT it...I've read speculation elsewhere that a runaway barge may have impacted it and caused enough damage to start a break. And once you have a break, it's going to fall apart under that much water pressure. I know a destroyer under construction in Pascagoula got hit by a barge that came out of nowhere during the hurricane and took a big enough gash in the hull that it took on water, so the potential was there.
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And having seen footage of a runaway barge on TLC a couple of years ago, I can believe it would do enough damage.
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Has Florida ever pulled off the complete evacuation of any major city?
Yes, MANY times! Think about the Flordia Keys. They get evac'd constantly because of hurricanes. In fact, I've been evac'd 3 times while down there visiting myself. Now, you're talking evac'ing just as many people, over ONE SINGLE BRIDGE out of the Keys. They pull it off every time, flawlessly.
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