yes and it seems like the answer to the original question is in this thread....it seems like everyone's thinking is either one side or the other on this topic....so until EVERYONE takes a step back and opens their minds,it may never end,which is sad....
and btw antonio you seem like a cool guy at times and i have used,and still use alot of the detailing tips and stuff you've posted over the years

and i'll be using some of them in a month in a car show....who knows i might even hang with some black friends there