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I like this game! Now guess who said the statements below. (Highlight between the brackets for answers).

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." [Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003]

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
[Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 ]

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
[Democratic President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998]

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
[Democratic President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998]

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
[Liberal Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 ]

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
[Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998]

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
[Letter to President Clinton.
Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
]

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
[Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998]

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
[Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999]

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
[Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 ]

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
[Former Democratic Vice President Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002]

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
[Former Democratic Vice President Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002]

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
[Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002]

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
[Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 ]

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
[Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002]

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
[Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002]

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
[Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002]


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Originally posted by Davo:


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
[Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002]





Apparently, you also like the game of misquoting and altering quotations to suit your agenda by deleting parts of quotations that don't support your point and inserting "..." in their place. I checked just one of your quotes and found that the following example, which I find to be flagrantly dishonest.
(The part you deleted is in bold).


In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Apparently, you also like the game of misquoting and altering quotations to suit your agenda by deleting parts of quotations that don't support your point and inserting "..." in their place. I think this is flagrantly dishonest.



I'm not trying to make the point that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. Therefore, omitting something someone said contrary to that is irrelevant. Not that it matters, but the statement was omitted in my source, not by me.

Since you weren't able to figure it out by yourself, the point of my post is that Democrats have said things that they have completely reversed their opinions on. Back when it was convenient, they supported the war and the justification for it. Now that they need to oppose the war in order to effectively oppose Bush, they are trying to make people forget what they said in the lead-up to the war and for several years before it.

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Originally posted by Davo:
I like this game! Now guess who said the statements below. (Highlight between the brackets for answers).

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
[Letter to President Clinton.
Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
]





OK, now we're two for two on your alleged quotes. Did you actually check out the primary source for these quotes of yours or do you expect that everyone will be as gullible as you are?

This is apparently from a speech given by Carl Levin. Once again, you have chosen to leave out a portion of this quote that torpedoes your whole point. Did you really think it was irrelevant that Mr. Levin was calling for an INTERNATIONAL Response??? Here is the part you conveniently chose to omit.

"Mr. President, it is vitally important for the international community to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to allow UNSCOM and the IAEA to carry out their missions. To date, the response has been to suspend sanctions' reviews and to seek to reverse Iraq's decision through diplomacy"

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He's a republican. They ignore the fact that the 9/11 attacks have nothing to do with Iraq or Saddam. If only Dubbya had placed the same importance on destroying OBL & company (You know, who actually attacked us...) rather than a saber rattler that was left in power by his father, which was against what our military advised.

Now that there is hard data showing that Dubbya ignored the intel that didn't support what he wanted to do, and after our dingle berry VP went to the CIA and badgered agents until he had crumbs of what he wanted, of course people are going to change their minds about the war in Iraq! Even some republicans are starting to come around.


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Unfortunately, like typical politicians, the Republicans who are "starting to come around", in thier position on Iraq are doing because elections are looming and the war is becoming increasingly unpopular.

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True. But that should say something about how big of a mistake Dubbya has committed, that they oppose his actions to try to get re-elected.

"Dead Wrong" on CNN is showing the BS in detail. Man, do I feel badly for Powell and the position Dubbya put him in with spreading his BS. The "intel" they had him address the UN was flagged at the time as BS, as it came from a known liar. Selective hearing at its best


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Did you spend as much time researching the quotes that started this thread that you have the quotes I posted?

Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Once again, you have chosen to leave out a portion of this quote that torpedoes your whole point. Did you really think it was irrelevant that Mr. Levin was calling for an INTERNATIONAL Response???



No, it is not relevant that he was calling for an international response. What was relevant here is that Mr. Levin thought Iraq was a threat.

For review:
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"Mr. President, it is vitally important for the international community to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to allow UNSCOM and the IAEA to carry out their missions. To date, the response has been to suspend sanctions' reviews and to seek to reverse Iraq's decision through diplomacy"




You can't invalidate my post by assigning points to it that I wasn't trying to make.

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Originally posted by Davo:
I like this game! Now guess who said the statements below. (Highlight between the brackets for answers).


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
[Democratic President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998]




Kindly review this speech and tell me how you can conclude that Bill Clinton was calling for the institution of a war against Iraq.

Looks to me like he was calling for at most surgical air strikes and then for a monitoring of the situation to see if Saddam was complying.

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