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Originally posted by chemguru:
I think year 'round school is a great idea (now that I'm out, heh...). But, I think each state should enforce the switch at once (similar to the quarter -> semester conversion in Georgia colleges in 99.) This way, afterschool care (day-cares, kid camps {summer camps,etc}, and the like) can all be setup to coincide with the cutover. Also, employers would be able to draft changes to assist parents with time off and such.
I dunno... Most of the above conversations seem to stem from "think of the kids/teachers/administrators". I just think that THEY (school board system) need to take into account the parents.
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DON'T GET FREAKIN' PREGNANT THEN! That's an easy way to solve this problem...
Dude, this is such an uneducated statement. "Oh, it's all about the parents and how they feel." ME, ME, ME, ME...Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....
The parents were the one "responsible" enough to get knocked up, the parents were the one "responsible" enough to bear the children, and the parents are the ones who should be "responsible" to raise the kids. I guess we as Americans should be SO lucky as to have a system where we take all the responsibility off the responsible parties for the kids and place it on somebody elses shoulders. Man, what a great way to live.
Just imagine...A world of no responsibility for that which you have brought into this world...
Oh, you wanna work 90 hours per week? Oh, both of you? Okay, just give the kids to us. Let us raise your kids. We'll teach them "EVERYTHING" they need to know, you just feed them in the evening and make sure they have clothes on their backs. Oh, and guess what, you don't even have to be there when they get home. No, please, in fact we would rather you not be there so the only direction they get during the day is SOMEBODY ELSES direction, and not yours. In fact, we'll even have afterschool activities that you don't have to even be involved in. Oh, by the way, your kid was doing wonderful in school today...Oh, you put him to bed last night? I'm sure he'll love you for that when he's 25 and the only thing he knows is an institutionalized lifestyle where he goes to work 16 hours a day, comes home, goes to bed and gets up in the morning and does it all over again. This couldn't possibly hurt the child in any form or fashion. Even if it does, YOU AREN'T RESPONSIBLE!!! So, give us yours kids. We'll indoctrinate them, not give them any one on one attention, ignore them most of the day, fill their mind with gobbly gook, and then send them home to you completely confused on what they are supposed to believe and how they are to live their lives.
It's a sad sad world where parents relinquish responsibility to raise their kids and give it to somebody else. What a HORRIBLE way to raise a generation. What happened to the parents being the "Just say no" teachers or the "it's dangerous to drink and drive" teachers or the "sex education" teachers or the "RESPONSIBLE PARTIES"!! Man, it makes me sick...
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
DON'T GET FREAKIN' PREGNANT THEN! That's an easy way to solve this problem...
Dude, this is such an uneducated statement. "Oh, it's all about the parents and how they feel." ME, ME, ME, ME...Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....
The parents were the one "responsible" enough to get knocked up, the parents were the one "responsible" enough to bear the children, and the parents are the ones who should be "responsible" to raise the kids. I guess we as Americans should be SO lucky as to have a system where we take all the responsibility off the responsible parties for the kids and place it on somebody elses shoulders. Man, what a great way to live.
Just imagine...A world of no responsibility for that which you have brought into this world...
Oh, you wanna work 90 hours per week? Oh, both of you? Okay, just give the kids to us. Let us raise your kids. We'll teach them "EVERYTHING" they need to know, you just feed them in the evening and make sure they have clothes on their backs. Oh, and guess what, you don't even have to be there when they get home. No, please, in fact we would rather you not be there so the only direction they get during the day is SOMEBODY ELSES direction, and not yours. In fact, we'll even have afterschool activities that you don't have to even be involved in. Oh, by the way, your kid was doing wonderful in school today...Oh, you put him to bed last night? I'm sure he'll love you for that when he's 25 and the only thing he knows is an institutionalized lifestyle where he goes to work 16 hours a day, comes home, goes to bed and gets up in the morning and does it all over again. This couldn't possibly hurt the child in any form or fashion. Even if it does, YOU AREN'T RESPONSIBLE!!! So, give us yours kids. We'll indoctrinate them, not give them any one on one attention, ignore them most of the day, fill their mind with gobbly gook, and then send them home to you completely confused on what they are supposed to believe and how they are to live their lives.
It's a sad sad world where parents relinquish responsibility to raise their kids and give it to somebody else. What a HORRIBLE way to raise a generation. What happened to the parents being the "Just say no" teachers or the "it's dangerous to drink and drive" teachers or the "sex education" teachers or the "RESPONSIBLE PARTIES"!! Man, it makes me sick...
Hi! And welcome to something new.
A) I'm not a parent.
2) I DON'T want kids... And,
d) Most parents aren't acclimated to year 'round school. All they've known is 10 months on and 2 months off since THEY were in school.
Kid camps, Vacation Bible School ( and all the other kid oriented cra^h^h^h activities ) are MOSTLY based on the same set schedule. Thus, if some of the schools changed to the 8 week on, 2 week off schedule, some kids might miss out.
I'm just saying, it'd be easier on kids (AND their parents) if everyone (in the state, at least) changed at once.
Be opened minded for once... everyone is NOT out against YOU and YOUR agenda.
K rist...
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Perhaps I did a poor job of relaying the original intent of this post. It wasn't to say that having kids was an inconvience as some have claimed. I used the example of two working parents and that the school system and most professional jobs don't make being there for your child convienent. When I write convienent, I'm not talking about taking the responsibility away from the parent and placing it on the school system. C'mon, folks, no one is saying to revamp our school system to turn it in to a daycare. That was far from my point. I was talking about revamping the school system to better prepare the student for the real world.
I went to some of the best grade schools and high schools in Ohio and they definitely prepared me for college but where the schooling system lacks is preparing the student for work in the real world. When I have time, I help recruit for my employer and what I look for is more than just a 4.0 student. A well rounded hard working individual with a 3.0 is more impressive to me than the book worm who has no work experience or outside activities.
Group work or project work is how things are done in the real world. Yes, you'll have some who won't pull their weight and that's apart of learning to be able to motivate those folks to get the job done or find ways around it. Being successful requires the ability to network, communicate, and manage. One could go through their entire education never doing any of that if they wanted to and I tell you, that person is going to be in for a shock should he or she decide to get out there in corporate America.
Learning how money works, investing, etc is very important and if it can be taught earlier in life the better. Too many are living for today and not planning for tomorrow. Look at the state of social security. One would be foolish to plan on any of that being there for their retirement. Very little of that is taught in our current educational system.
Again, the point was missed here so let me reiterate. No one is asking for our school systems to be nothing more than a better daycares. That's foolishness. I have heard good arguments on both sides of the coin for the summer vacation versus year round schooling. My only point was, when you get to the real work force, for most of us, there is no summer break. There is no time to sit back, relax, and clear our minds for months at a time. It's work, work, work!
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Originally posted by SVTNupe:
It seems quite an inconvienence when kids are off for three months at a time with parents who both work.
Originally posted by Davo:
Last I checked, the purpose of school is to educate people, not serve as a daycare (yes, I know it functions as such for a lot of people).
Let's be honest, in some capacity, school is a daycare and an educational institution. However, my point was not to put more of the parenting responsibility on the schools. Just to improve or change the current educational system to better prepare those for the real world.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by SVTNupe:
Don't you think it'd be more beneficial if students went to school year round with periodic (maybe week long) breaks? ... Plus it'd better prepare them for how the work force actually operates.
Don't know where you work, but I don't get to take week-long breaks every couple of months.
And I don't know where you work either, however I can take off for a week at time and I'm sure I'm not the only professional who can do that.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by SVTNupe:
And where is the emphasis on finances? In a world that revolves around it, very little time is spent on money management.
I don't consider money management an essential of education. I never had formal finance education, but I'm doing just fine. There are some things that take a healthy dose of common sense and some real-world experience to learn properly.
And That's the problem, no one wants to listen and learn. How can one say that learning money management, investing, etc isn't important when it's possibly one of the things you do the most when one does get out in to the work force???
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Originally posted by SVTNupe:
Let's be honest, in some capacity, school is a daycare and an educational institution. However, my point was not to put more of the parenting responsibility on the schools. Just to improve or change the current educational system to better prepare those for the real world.
Like I said, I am aware that it serves as a daycare for many. But are you going to argue that the purpose of school is to babysit children? If so, then why have high school? My point is that although some view and use school as daycare, that is not school's purpose and it should not be treated as such.
Originally posted by Davo:
And I don't know where you work either, however I can take off for a week at time and I'm sure I'm not the only professional who can do that.
I can also take off for a week at a time, but several (5-6 times per year)? No. This professional, real-life environment you'd be training the kids for is far from either.
Originally posted by Davo:
And That's the problem, no one wants to listen and learn. How can one say that learning money management, investing, etc isn't important when it's possibly one of the things you do the most when one does get out in to the work force???
Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? People have a responsibility to listen and learn (even outside of the classroom). Public school was instituted to provide people with a basic education and to teach them skills essential in the pursuit of the American dream. There are countless things I could sit here and tell you I need in order to survive that school could have taught me, but the reality is that there are ways other than school to learn these things. Teaching kids how to have sex is bad enough.
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Originally posted by SVTNupe:
(1)Don't you think it'd be more beneficial if students went to school year round with periodic (maybe week long) breaks? (2)It seems quite an inconvienence when kids are off for three months at a time with parents who both work. (3)Plus it'd better prepare them for how the work force actually operates. (4)I think a revamping of our school system is in order!
(5)And where is the emphasis on finances?
(6)Individualized testing (and testing period)
1)if the sole purpose of this is to simply change the schedual then no. if the purpose of this is to make an education worth something by lengthening the school year to encompass the entire year in a system resembling what the japanese have then yes, we are in desparate need of this.
2+3)too bad. the real problem here is that many many parents have the inconvienence of children instead of the blessing of children. example: many times during the summer my father (self employed, hvac and appliance repair) would take me with him and teach me both about the business itself aswell as how business is conducted. i was kept busy and i managed to learn something at the same time. or sometimes i would help my uncle with his pool cleaning business. again i would learn about the business and business practices.
4)the school system needs revitalizing in the form of requiring students actually pass their classes by learning something but the place where the real revamping needs to take place is at home. parents alone are responsible for educating their children. the fact that they (as is the norm) choose to let the public school system take a primary role does not release them from this responsibility. example:i began kindergarten already knowing how to read because my parents taught me at home. they did not rely on the school system to do all the educating. rather the school system just expounded on things i learned at home.
5)at home. when i was a kid my mom would take my brother and i to the market with her to do the grocery shopping and explain to us the difference in value between the various size containers of whatever food and when each one would be appropriate. at the same time we were taught how to balance a budget. by the time my pathetic economics class came around in my senior year i had already learned the topics at home.
6)is generally too easy. over the years tests have been dumbed down so that no one will be offended or hurt by not understanding or having the answer to the question.
part of the problem, in my experience anyways, is the public school system purposely sets its standards far too low to accomodate the underachievers instead of forcing them to work harder. when i left private school and started forth grade in public school i found that the subjects were two years behind where my private school had been. even better, in my senior year i took g.a.t.e. physics as did my buddy and the girl who sat next to me. the problem was the girl next to her as well as much of the class took regular physics and we were all in the same class. how the hell are you supposed to teach an advanced class and a regular class effectively concurrently? that is a simple lack of desire to do the job right. stuff like this needs to be addressed immidiately and the schedual on which kids go to school has nothing to do with it.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by chemguru:
I think year 'round school is a great idea (now that I'm out, heh...). But, I think each state should enforce the switch at once (similar to the quarter -> semester conversion in Georgia colleges in 99.) This way, afterschool care (day-cares, kid camps {summer camps,etc}, and the like) can all be setup to coincide with the cutover. Also, employers would be able to draft changes to assist parents with time off and such.
I dunno... Most of the above conversations seem to stem from "think of the kids/teachers/administrators". I just think that THEY (school board system) need to take into account the parents.
--JamesT
DON'T GET FREAKIN' PREGNANT THEN! That's an easy way to solve this problem...
Dude, this is such an uneducated statement. "Oh, it's all about the parents and how they feel." ME, ME, ME, ME...Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....
The parents were the one "responsible" enough to get knocked up, the parents were the one "responsible" enough to bear the children, and the parents are the ones who should be "responsible" to raise the kids. I guess we as Americans should be SO lucky as to have a system where we take all the responsibility off the responsible parties for the kids and place it on somebody elses shoulders. Man, what a great way to live.
Just imagine...A world of no responsibility for that which you have brought into this world...
Oh, you wanna work 90 hours per week? Oh, both of you? Okay, just give the kids to us. Let us raise your kids. We'll teach them "EVERYTHING" they need to know, you just feed them in the evening and make sure they have clothes on their backs. Oh, and guess what, you don't even have to be there when they get home. No, please, in fact we would rather you not be there so the only direction they get during the day is SOMEBODY ELSES direction, and not yours. In fact, we'll even have afterschool activities that you don't have to even be involved in. Oh, by the way, your kid was doing wonderful in school today...Oh, you put him to bed last night? I'm sure he'll love you for that when he's 25 and the only thing he knows is an institutionalized lifestyle where he goes to work 16 hours a day, comes home, goes to bed and gets up in the morning and does it all over again. This couldn't possibly hurt the child in any form or fashion. Even if it does, YOU AREN'T RESPONSIBLE!!! So, give us yours kids. We'll indoctrinate them, not give them any one on one attention, ignore them most of the day, fill their mind with gobbly gook, and then send them home to you completely confused on what they are supposed to believe and how they are to live their lives.
It's a sad sad world where parents relinquish responsibility to raise their kids and give it to somebody else. What a HORRIBLE way to raise a generation. What happened to the parents being the "Just say no" teachers or the "it's dangerous to drink and drive" teachers or the "sex education" teachers or the "RESPONSIBLE PARTIES"!! Man, it makes me sick...
Feel better? BTW, you completely missed the point of chemguru's post.
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