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Originally posted by svt4stv:
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Cry me a river, you don't see all those other ethnicities swarm to the US illegally by the millions every year. They all become Americans the right way, they may have found loop holes in our craptasitc system but at least they use it, rather than ignore it. They also take part in American society, not try to recreate everything to suit them because of their lack of education/unwillingness to adapt to their new environment.





you live in UTAH ! come down to Glendale or North Hollywood some time. Glendale has the 2nd largest armenian popluation in the world after Armenia. puhleaz, if you think these millions of armos and persians are here legally and dont have forged paperwork, then ive got some nice beachfront property id like to show you. it didnt take them ten years to get in here. some cash and some nice looking papers can get you in real fast. theyre not just exploiting loopholes in our system, its called "FRAUD." i worked in glendale. one of my co-workers told me that when they come over here they are practically handed booklets from the armenian community on how to get free welfare, workmen's comp, and so on. I worked for a worker's comp quasi state agency. tons of armenian "injured" workers with, suprise, armenian lawyers and doctors. nice little setup they have down there in glendale. my father was an installer for PacBell. he was stationed in LaCrescenta, a VERY expensive community near Glendale. as installers, they get to see all the customer's financial info on their accounts. he said he was shocked at how many of these people sit around in their million dollar homes all day with their Sclasses parked in front and are on the low income phone plan for $10 a month and are on welfare. i have had the "privilege" of meeting many young adult armenians and persian guys who are on welfare and drive Sclass and 7 series. many. many also who have been busted for banking schemes and fraud. its like my Russian immigrant friend recently told me. "Russian and Armenian people are the best scammers in the world. In Russia that is practically the only way to survive, by stealing and cheating the system. that's why so many of them are involved in it here. and theyre good at it." i know a persian guy, since high school, who was busted for running a credit card ring about two years ago. about 30 persian guys involved, all arrested, no one did any jail time. they all have money, illegaly obtained of course, and paid big shot lawyers to get them off. guess what, theyre still doing it. if you ever have the "opportunity" to have your identity or social security # stolen, remember that. please send me a pm so i can say "cry me a river" as i see him roll down the street in one of his TWO convertible porsches that he bought cash. its so funny. i sit here and read about how you guys are all so concerned with illegal immigrants "soaking" up resources when these "legal" (or who knows wtf) immigrants are swiping #s at banks and housing lenders daily and selling "your" info on the internet. i see reports about it all the time on the news about how some poor person's life was ruined because of this and how "you can protect your ......" juuuuust wait till it happens to someone you know. then you'll be posting, f*ck marijuana smuggling, how does my .........get their life back in order?!

oh yeah, lets not forget our chinese friends who come in by the hundreds through the port of los angeles everyday in containers. payoffs to russian and italian outfits that control the ports allows them to get through. and they say there is "no mob in LA" lol. stop by chinatown or monteray park next time youre in LA and see adaptive the chinese have become.

you still didnt answer my ? about what we do with the children of illegal immigrant who are born here and are legal AMERICAN CITIZENS. I taught in a public school for three years. believe me, many many of the parents are illegal, but most of the kids are born and raised here (teachers get to see this confidential information in the CUM files). many dont even speak spanish. the #s in the ESL classes dont even come close to the # of hispanic kids (children of illegal immigrants) who are in regular classes and have been attending school since day 1.




I have been all through out California as I've lived there and I work there. I'm in California more than I'm in Utah, or atleast in the last 2 years.

I've been to Glendale a fair amount actually, but I didn't notice what you're speaking of. But then again, I don't live there so that doesn't shock me.
Compared to the fraud/mooching of the system, I would bet that the Latino illegal immigrants are hitting the state of California much harder than others. I know the Russians are pretty shisty, they had to deal with the black market to get anything of value under the Soviet BS. I don't doubt other ethnicities have found ways to gyp the system and even American citizens do it. But, let's look at the bigger picture and look at who's doing the most damage. A small population of Chinese endentured slaves giving happy endings in SF isn't as bad as what Latino illegal immigrants do as a whole to America.

I'm a softie for kids, and I wouldn't send them or their parents back to their country of origin. America is their home, but again there is that issue with the illegal immigrant society within America that I don't like.



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Originally posted by Swazo:
I have seen how illegal immigrants are 'forced' to operate within their own society that they have created for themselves. Wether it be avoiding banks and having to deal with loan sharks to getting robbed by other illegal immigrants because they know they won't go to the police.




the only immigrants i have ever heard of that avoided banks and were robbed by their own people because of it are asians. for awhile it was pretty common to see on the news how some stupid korean or vietnamese kids (gangsters) would rob some poor family ala home invasion style to take their money that they "knew" the family would be hording "in the mattress". supposedly this is because in their home countries they have severe distrust of banks. i have never heard of this happening to a latin family and have never heard of a latin family that has $20k stuffed inside their mattress. gangsters dont rob families for $200. i do know someone was murdered by the russian mafia in a scheme where they kidnapped wealthy russian business owners in order to extract money from their families knowing they wouldnt turn to the police. the familiy paid big $ for this poor guy and his body was still dumped in a lake near Sacramento, along with some others. it was all over the news. this was a friend of a friend of mine. mexicans have no problem calling the police cuz everyone knows that the "hudda" cant ask for any proof of citizenship and cant even call la migra if they suspect you are illegal. i dont know where you get your information but it is factually quite inaccurate.

hell, i was at the bank (wells fargo) just two days ago on the east side of the valley on a friday afternoon just before closing. there were about 50 effing people ahead of me and i think i was the only person who spoke english, including the employees! when i got to the window, the guy started speaking to me in spanish. i asked him if he spoke english cuz i barely speak spanish. my father and sister's neighborhoods are full of illegal immigrants who are buying houses like crazy. you know how they do it? they get about ten family members to sign onto the loan. and guess what, the banks are clamoring over each other to sell them 1/2 million dollar POS houses. which helps inflate the cost of housing around here. dont say they like to contribute or keep the money in the US. half the cars in my dad/sister's neighborhoods are brand new Ford trucks and SUVs. they love those POS fords! and no, theyre not gangbanging drug dealers or farm workers. most have retail or factory jobs. it doesnt take much to finance a brand new ford these days.

speaking of drug dealers. there wouldnt be any drug smuggling if there werent any doped out americans to demand it. supply and demand! raise your hand if you or someone you love smokes weed. i dont know any illegal, poor, mexican immigrants who own airplanes or ships...i also dont know any illegal mexican immigrants who are addicted to speed or coke or heroin. i doubt many have the extra cash to waste on pot either, that is a luxury poor people usually cant afford. especially if theyre trying to send a few bucks back home.


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Originally posted by Swazo:
If black people as a whole were doing what illegal Latino immigrants are doing, then I would have issues with that as well, but they aren't.




next time your in town hit me up. ill give you the compton, inglewood, carson, south la tour.


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OK, here in Utah where the illegal population hasn't had a lot of time to setup as they have in California, I have seen all of what I speak of happen. There is always a key figure within the illegal immigrant society that would be who you'd go to for a loan of any type. Now that the growing population of Latinos are finding fault with the old ways and now that Zions bank is opening up "Su Banko" locations all over the ghettos, it's less likely to happen.
Also, there has been a lot of home invasion issues that were kept amongst their society until they broke out into plain sight. I'm not just some white kid that is looking down from my mansion from the upper east side and guessing what's happening, I've lived around it and have had to deal with it.


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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
If black people as a whole were doing what illegal Latino immigrants are doing, then I would have issues with that as well, but they aren't.




next time your in town hit me up. ill give you the compton, inglewood, carson, south la tour.




Nothing new to me, my Grandfather owned a small store in Compton (No, I'm not half Korean )


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Originally posted by Swazo:
I'm a softie for kids, and I wouldn't send them or their parents back to their country of origin. America is their home, but again there is that issue with the illegal immigrant society within America that I don't like.






like i said, there are millions of children of illegal immigrants who are american citizens. in fact, im willing to bet USD that there are probably more legal children than there are illegal parents. after all, most do have quite a few kids. and they have them here. not right before they cross the border. true, some children are dragged through the desert but most are born here after their parents get here. and no, the desert is not full of pregnant women in their 3rd trimester attempting to reach UCLA hospital to have triplets. most are actually single or are married and left their families back in mexico. many hook up when they get here and then have kids. often not being caught for some ten odd years and already have four or five legal american citizen children who are legally attending school and are legally getting free lunches and are legally getting free medical care. when you talk about those illegal families that hord the hospitals, sure many are illegal parents, but most of the kids are legal and get free medical care as do all poor children of CA. (what a state). most illegal adults dont drag their asses into the er until they have one foot in death's door. do you have any idea how long it takes to be seen in a county hospital? a friend of mine, white dude 21 years old had a crappy tire changing job with no insurance. he got some crazy ass boil on his arm and had to go to countyUSC to have it removed. that poor dumb tire-changing bastid sat in the waiting room for THIRTEEN miserable hours surrounded by coughing and bleeding mofos until he was finally seen to have that huge fugly thing removed THIRTEEN hours! do you really think that people will sit through this for a common cold? they have survived in their home countries all this time with inadequate medical care so its not like theyre not used to it. people dont go to these hospitals unless theyre f*cked up, or have free medical, like the kids all do, illegal or not (in fact, i think that's actually a federal program). my grandmother lived her whole life without ever stepping foot inside a hospital (until she died, and probably why she died). would you sit for 13 hours+ to have a rash looked at? hell no. you'd go to walgreens and buy some miracle cream for $5 and pray to God or the virgin guadalupe or whoever that that [censored] will go away and you wont have to sit all day (missing work) have it looked at. and yeah, the ers probably are full but that's a veeery small % of the 4 million peolple that live in this overcrowded wonderland. didnt you notice all the friggin people when you were out here? that's probably like .00000000000123% of the population. and believe you me, these county hospitals are tossing uninsured mofos into their own private rooms to be treated. its more like a triage. you get a band aid and are told to say ten hail marys and are sent on your way. that goes for any poor unlucky bastid who doesnt have insurance. most of the hospitals are private and wont even talk to you if you dont have insurance and youre not actually dying. by law, they must take in someone is fatally ill. anything short of that and the illegal alien security guard is called to come show you the door!


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Originally posted by Swazo:
Originally posted by svt4stv:
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If black people as a whole were doing what illegal Latino immigrants are doing, then I would have issues with that as well, but they aren't.




next time your in town hit me up. ill give you the compton, inglewood, carson, south la tour.




Nothing new to me, my Grandfather owned a small store in Compton (No, I'm not half Korean )




now youre just making me laugh that or because its 300 in the MORNING! ive got to get to bed. i have to take my mexican/nicaraugan/german/mormon crazy mixed kid to school in a few hours. the school where i have to pay $350 a month for part time preschool care!

btw, my grandmotherinlaw is nicarauguan. she married some CIA mormon polygamyst freak back in the 50s while he was in Nicauragua. they were married for TEN YEARS and had five kids together. she spoke NO english and he spoke practically no spanish. figure that isht out! and then he left her and the five kids behind to shoot onto the phillipines where he married another woman and had kids with her. he left her to, to return to utah to his original wife and handful of kids. just thought id share that nice little utah/mormon/latino story with ya. crazy fuggin inlaws


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OK, I've never said anything about deportation. I personally think that we simply need reform in our immigration laws and how we deal with Mexico as a whole. On top of that, we need to secure our borders (even with Canada, so this isn't a racial thing).
Amnesty may have failed in the past, but backed with the right changes today I think it would be a good move for the US as a whole. Like it or not, we have an enormous illegal population. If we were to make the needed changes, and award citizenship to the currant illegals we all would be better off as a multi-racial society..... like America has always been.

If I could demand anything, it would be for anyone who wants to live here to atleast embrace being an American just like your family sounds to have done.


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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
If black people as a whole were doing what illegal Latino immigrants are doing, then I would have issues with that as well, but they aren't.




next time your in town hit me up. ill give you the compton, inglewood, carson, south la tour.




Nothing new to me, my Grandfather owned a small store in Compton (No, I'm not half Korean )




now youre just making me laugh that or because its 300 in the MORNING! ive got to get to bed. i have to take my mexican/nicaraugan/german/mormon crazy mixed kid to school in a few hours. the school where i have to pay $350 a month for part time preschool care!

btw, my grandmotherinlaw is nicarauguan. she married some CIA mormon polygamyst freak back in the 50s while he was in Nicauragua. they were married for TEN YEARS and had five kids together. she spoke NO english and he spoke practically no spanish. figure that isht out! and then he left her and the five kids behind to shoot onto the phillipines where he married another woman and had kids with her. he left her to, to return to utah to his original wife and handful of kids. just thought id share that nice little utah/mormon/latino story with ya. crazy fuggin inlaws




LMAO! Funny story, I know many mormons that like to have their cake and eat it too. Sounds all too familiar.


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