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the danger? of eating fruit picked by "criminals?" 
No, the criminals that come across the "open" US/Mexico border as the migrant workers do.
ok, so people who cross an invisible borderline to get to work, illegaly, are criminals. does that mean that cegers who put illegal tint on their rides, illegally modify their exhaust systems and drive above the speed limit and remove their front license plates are "criminals" too? what about people who break the jaywalking law or make illegal Uturns or sell stuff on ebay without filing the necessary tax paperwork? how about kids are 20 and drink a beer at their buddy's house or a 17 year old who smokes or decides to ditch school and go to the opening of Star Wars? are they all "criminals" too?  or does that label not apply to law-breakers who are already citizens. geez, what about all the pot-smokers in here? and people who illegaly copy software and give a copy to their buddy or a relative? buring a copy of friends cd is illegal you know and there are a few multi-billion dollar corporations who would appreciate it if you would stop doing it. arent they criminals too? or are they just "criminals" because you dont happen to favor the particular crime that these particular people commit? sounds kinda hypocritical to me (not directing at you personaly Swazo).
its funny how so many good Americans (and especially Christians) can go about their daily routine of law-breaking with no hesitations but wont hesitate to point fingers at other people. out of the billions of people, yes billions, who have illegaly crossed our borders (both) over the last three hundred years, just how many were a serious threat to "national security?" can you or GW tell me that? and once again, i didnt see any mexicans listed of the 17 hijackers that changed our views on national security on 9/11. no mexicans bombed the USS Cole. No Mexicans ever bombed any Marine barracks or took any US professors hostage. No mexicans involved in the bombing of the OK federal building or the attempted bombing of the WTC. No mexicans at WACO (although tons nearby). none spotted at Ruby Ridge. none caught trying to smuggle bombs in from canada. wasnt a mexican with a cheapie bomb in his shoe on an airplane. no mexicans attempting to assinate a US president. I doubt any mexicans ever mailed any anthrax to any politicians or mailed any pipe bombs to anyone. no mexicans in iraq or afghanistan or the phillipines shooting at our troops. in fact, quite a few are members of our armed forces. in fact, many troops who faught and died in veitnam, alongside white and black men, came from "questionable" backgrounds while many men avoided it by going to college. yeah, threat to national security. 
btw, we let armenians, persians, arabs, and russians in by the plainload daily. many of which are involved in mafia-like activities including identiy theft, credit card fraud and other crimes that are currently wreaking havoc on our society. how many of them do you see out in the fields doing hard labor? and yet, many of them collect welfare, send their kids to free schools, and get free medical care.  i dont see any minutemen at the airports with their binoculars and walkie talkies
im also curious about this. we all know that millions of illegal immigrants have millions of children who are born here in the US, moreso than are smuggled across. (so that right there are millions who arent getting free medical and education illegaly). per United States law, they are United States CITIZENS. so they are entitled to all the freebies like all the other domestic mooches we already have. ok, besides that, if we send all their illegal immigrant parents home to where they belong, do we ILLEGALY send these american citizen children with them?! like it or not, they ARE american citizens! do we now start forcing our own citizens out of the country?! or do we send them to foster care facilities while we send their parents back? tell me please, what would be the "right" thing to do? what would Jesus do? what would a good Christian American do? split up a family? kick out a legal citizen? retain illegal citizens to be with their legal children?? please, all of you who have the answers, please tell me what we should do in those situations. and there are millions of those situations. should we change the law that allows this? should we also change the law that makes a foreigner an automatic citizen if they marry an American citizen? because that happens everyday by the millions here too. i know many legal citizens who have married an illegal immigrant. what's the answer?? (and suprise, not all were hispanic. many were from europe)
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One more note as to why I don't support illegal immigrants. They are forced to live amongst their own society of other illegal immigrants, which effectively recreates the craptastic society they're trying to flee. So we all are forced to have to deal with that aspect when the population grows.
One can retain their heritage and become an American. My family has, and we're 3rd generation American on my maternal side.
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Originally posted by Swazo:
Ask any of the Hospital admin's why they had to shut down, and you'd see what I'm talking about, it was primarily the illegal immigrant hords that showed up for service and basicly did a dine-n-dash out the ER door.
well, fortunately, i dont know any of them. but i did read the week long article about MLK hospital in south central los angeles that was closed for this reason and many others. and 90% of their clientele are black. black as in american citizen black, not as in just got off the raft illegal immigrant Haitian black.
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Cry me a river, you don't see all those other ethnicities swarm to the US illegally by the millions every year. They all become Americans the right way, they may have found loop holes in our craptasitc system but at least they use it, rather than ignore it. They also take part in American society, not try to recreate everything to suit them because of their lack of education/unwillingness to adapt to their new environment.
Mexicans aren't terrorist, but terrorism is another reason we need to keep our borders secure. The amount of drugs that are brought into the US from Mexico ( and Canada, thanks to people like Marc Emery) is insane, that's one big thing they do wrong. The fact that illegal immigrants not only overwhelm our hospitals, they also overwhelm our schools and make them over crowded for citizens to learn. They don't participate with the census, so even when new schools are built they are almost always over run from illegal immigrant's children. When illegal immigrants do not take part with American society but want all the perks of it, we all suffer.
Jay walkers and the like pale in comparison to what the illegal immigrants do to us all in their various draining ways. To compare what they do to minor offenses is yet another joke.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
Ask any of the Hospital admin's why they had to shut down, and you'd see what I'm talking about, it was primarily the illegal immigrant hords that showed up for service and basicly did a dine-n-dash out the ER door.
well, fortunately, i dont know any of them. but i did read the week long article about MLK hospital in south central los angeles that was closed for this reason and many others. and 90% of their clientele are black. black as in american citizen black, not as in just got off the raft illegal immigrant Haitian black.
One example in a primarily poor black community that's huge. What about all the other hospital closures?
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Originally posted by Swazo:
One more note as to why I don't support illegal immigrants. They are forced to live amongst their own society of other illegal immigrants, which effectively recreates the craptastic society they're trying to flee. So we all are forced to have to deal with that aspect when the population grows.
One can retain their heritage and become an American. My family has, and we're 3rd generation American on my maternal side.
plenty of craptastic housing in the Ozarks, Oakland and the poor parts of the south. you dont have to be illegal to live in the ghetto. most arent trying to "flee" mexico but come here for the work. there isnt much money to be made in mexico legally (ie without being a narco). why do you think so many leave their families and send money back home? most cant wait to get back home. all of mexico is not exactly like what is shown in the movies and in TJ. I know an LAUSD state credentialed teacher who is an illegal alien. her parents moved here to find work. she went to school, then college and is now a teacher (phony papers i guess). anyway, her grandparents own a huge ranch in a small town about two hours outside of Guadalahara, iirc, with many horses on it. she is working to become a legal citizen but actually would like to move back there to live on her grandparents' ranch. she's a horse nut. just an example that shows that not all are fleeing 3rd world conditions with militamen firing guns in the air and kicking over shantys.
what would you do if you found out that one of your great-grandparents used forged papers to enter the US? would you turn them in? would you consider them a despicable criminal? or would you just "grandfather" yourself in, so to speak. just a hypothetical situation for you.
i ask this because this has happened many times before.
ps im 3rd generation too. my grandparents on my father's side came from who knows where? back when nobody gave a sh*t about any borders and people went back and forth between Texas and Mexico all the time. Employers were desperate for people to work for them back and didnt care who or what came to work for them. i honestly dont know if my grandmother or grandfather were born in texas or in mexico. mexico i think. i know they did some farm and industrial labor work when they were young. a few years later my grandfather moved the clan to Los Angeles when he was hired to work at Lockheed in Burbank who was hiring people like crazy! he worked in the skunkworks division and had top secret clearance. so maybe he was a citizen? i dunno...but the govt sure didnt think he was a threat to national security. him his brother in law who told him about the job or my father or two uncles and an aunt who also worked there.  my father, who came from parents of "questionable" backgrounds was a staff sgt in the army (E8) during Vietnam and worked in nuclear weapons for God's sake. he was in charge of the guys who broke open the top secret cards that would give the orders to launch the weapon (in West Germany). i guess they didnt see him as a threat to national security.  he too worked in the SR71 plant in Burbank during the early 80s when it supposedly didnt exist and the f117.
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Originally posted by Swazo:
Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
Ask any of the Hospital admin's why they had to shut down, and you'd see what I'm talking about, it was primarily the illegal immigrant hords that showed up for service and basicly did a dine-n-dash out the ER door.
well, fortunately, i dont know any of them. but i did read the week long article about MLK hospital in south central los angeles that was closed for this reason and many others. and 90% of their clientele are black. black as in american citizen black, not as in just got off the raft illegal immigrant Haitian black.
One example in a primarily poor black community that's huge. What about all the other hospital closures?
just how many hospitals do you think have shut down in LA? do you think we are hospital-less or something? we get our medical services at the mall?
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
One more note as to why I don't support illegal immigrants. They are forced to live amongst their own society of other illegal immigrants, which effectively recreates the craptastic society they're trying to flee. So we all are forced to have to deal with that aspect when the population grows.
One can retain their heritage and become an American. My family has, and we're 3rd generation American on my maternal side.
1. plenty of craptastic housing in the Ozarks, Oakland and the poor parts of the south. you dont have to be illegal to live in the ghetto. most arent trying to "flee" mexico but come here for the work. there isnt much money to be made in mexico legally (ie without being a narco). why do you think so many leave their families and send money back home? most cant wait to get back home. all of mexico is not exactly like what is shown in the movies and in TJ. I know an LAUSD state credentialed teacher who is an illegal alien. her parents moved here to find work. she went to school, then college and is now a teacher (phony papers i guess). anyway, her grandparents own a huge ranch in a small town about two hours outside of Guadalahara, iirc, with many horses on it. she is working to become a legal citizen but actually would like to move back there to live on her grandparents' ranch. she's a horse nut. just an example that shows that not all are fleeing 3rd world conditions with militamen firing guns in the air and kicking over shantys.
2. what would you do if you found out that one of your great-grandparents used forged papers to enter the US? would you turn them in? would you consider them a despicable criminal? or would you just "grandfather" yourself in, so to speak. just a hypothetical situation for you.
i ask this because this has happened many times before.
3. ps im 3rd generation too. my grandparents on my father's side came from who knows where? back when nobody gave a sh*t about any borders and people went back and forth between Texas and Mexico all the time. Employers were desperate for people to work for them back and didnt care who or what came to work for them. i honestly dont know if my grandmother or grandfather were born in texas or in mexico. mexico i think. i know they did some farm and industrial labor work when they were young. a few years later my grandfather moved the clan to Los Angeles when he was hired to work at Lockheed in Burbank who was hiring people like crazy! he worked in the skunkworks division and had top secret clearance. so maybe he was a citizen? i dunno...but the govt sure didnt think he was a threat to national security. him his brother in law who told him about the job or my father or two uncles and an aunt who also worked there. my father, who came from parents of "questionable" backgrounds was a staff sgt in the army (E8) during Vietnam and worked in nuclear weapons for God's sake. he was in charge of the guys who broke open the top secret cards that would give the orders to launch the weapon (in West Germany). i guess they didnt see him as a threat to national security. he too worked in the SR71 plant in Burbank during the early 80s when it supposedly didnt exist and the f117.
1. I know Mexico is far from being like TJ, thankfully. The US has tons of ghettos, I know, I grew up in Utah's and California's. I have seen how illegal immigrants are 'forced' to operate within their own society that they have created for themselves. Wether it be avoiding banks and having to deal with loan sharks to getting robbed by other illegal immigrants because they know they won't go to the police. It's not only bad for Americans to have illegal immigrants conducting their own society within ours, but it's also bad for them.
2. I'm Scottish/Irish, so that's a bad question to ask. If the price was right....
 
3. Exceptions to the rule, which are numerous I'll admit. They obviously did/do contribute to American society and it sounds like they have intigrated well. I have not one problem with immigrants like that, as my family reflects those ideals as well. It's the vast majority of illegal immigrants that do not that I do have issues with.
Bottom line IMO, we need reform of our immigration laws (overall, not only for Mexicans) and we need to secure our borders. Only good can come from it.
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Originally posted by Swazo:
Cry me a river, you don't see all those other ethnicities swarm to the US illegally by the millions every year. They all become Americans the right way, they may have found loop holes in our craptasitc system but at least they use it, rather than ignore it. They also take part in American society, not try to recreate everything to suit them because of their lack of education/unwillingness to adapt to their new environment.
you live in UTAH ! come down to Glendale or North Hollywood some time. Glendale has the 2nd largest armenian popluation in the world after Armenia. puhleaz, if you think these millions of armos and persians are here legally and dont have forged paperwork, then ive got some nice beachfront property id like to show you. it didnt take them ten years to get in here. some cash and some nice looking papers can get you in real fast. theyre not just exploiting loopholes in our system, its called "FRAUD." i worked in glendale. one of my co-workers told me that when they come over here they are practically handed booklets from the armenian community on how to get free welfare, workmen's comp, and so on. I worked for a worker's comp quasi state agency. tons of armenian "injured" workers with, suprise, armenian lawyers and doctors. nice little setup they have down there in glendale. my father was an installer for PacBell. he was stationed in LaCrescenta, a VERY expensive community near Glendale. as installers, they get to see all the customer's financial info on their accounts. he said he was shocked at how many of these people sit around in their million dollar homes all day with their Sclasses parked in front and are on the low income phone plan for $10 a month and are on welfare. i have had the "privilege" of meeting many young adult armenians and persian guys who are on welfare and drive Sclass and 7 series. many. many also who have been busted for banking schemes and fraud. its like my Russian immigrant friend recently told me. "Russian and Armenian people are the best scammers in the world. In Russia that is practically the only way to survive, by stealing and cheating the system. that's why so many of them are involved in it here. and theyre good at it." i know a persian guy, since high school, who was busted for running a credit card ring about two years ago. about 30 persian guys involved, all arrested, no one did any jail time. they all have money, illegaly obtained of course, and paid big shot lawyers to get them off. guess what, theyre still doing it. if you ever have the "opportunity" to have your identity or social security # stolen, remember that. please send me a pm so i can say "cry me a river" as i see him roll down the street in one of his TWO convertible porsches that he bought cash. its so funny. i sit here and read about how you guys are all so concerned with illegal immigrants "soaking" up resources when these "legal" (or who knows wtf) immigrants are swiping #s at banks and housing lenders daily and selling "your" info on the internet. i see reports about it all the time on the news about how some poor person's life was ruined because of this and how "you can protect your ......" juuuuust wait till it happens to someone you know. then you'll be posting, f*ck marijuana smuggling, how does my .........get their life back in order?!
oh yeah, lets not forget our chinese friends who come in by the hundreds through the port of los angeles everyday in containers. payoffs to russian and italian outfits that control the ports allows them to get through. and they say there is "no mob in LA" lol. stop by chinatown or monteray park next time youre in LA and see adaptive the chinese have become.
you still didnt answer my ? about what we do with the children of illegal immigrant who are born here and are legal AMERICAN CITIZENS. I taught in a public school for three years. believe me, many many of the parents are illegal, but most of the kids are born and raised here (teachers get to see this confidential information in the CUM files). many dont even speak spanish. the #s in the ESL classes dont even come close to the # of hispanic kids (children of illegal immigrants) who are in regular classes and have been attending school since day 1.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Swazo:
Ask any of the Hospital admin's why they had to shut down, and you'd see what I'm talking about, it was primarily the illegal immigrant hords that showed up for service and basicly did a dine-n-dash out the ER door.
well, fortunately, i dont know any of them. but i did read the week long article about MLK hospital in south central los angeles that was closed for this reason and many others. and 90% of their clientele are black. black as in american citizen black, not as in just got off the raft illegal immigrant Haitian black.
One example in a primarily poor black community that's huge. What about all the other hospital closures?
just how many hospitals do you think have shut down in LA? do you think we are hospital-less or something? we get our medical services at the mall?
Not at all, I'm referring to the numerous hospitals that did close primarily because of the hordes of uninsured illegal immigrants. If black people as a whole were doing what illegal Latino immigrants are doing, then I would have issues with that as well, but they aren't.
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