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Originally posted by svt4stv:
so if you had to choose between obeying "God's law" and "man's law".....which would you choose? and would you be an awful sinner because you did so?
and why wouldnt we let millions of them in? after all, you have no problem with it, as long as it's done legally. right??? and wait a minute, let me get this straight, theyre only using up resources because theyre illegal right? so there are no legal citizens here that are unemployed, dont have medical insurance and are going to school for free. riiiiight.. why dont we just toss out everyone who doesnt have a job, medical insurance, a retirement plan or pay for tuition?? after all, money seems to be the big concern right? there are tons of white and black people (legal) in this country leeching off society already. many are able to work too. isnt that some sort of sin? here's an idea, why dont we stone them all 
you know, all this back and forth talk is quite moot anyways. theyre coming, you know theyre coming, and nothing you nor i say or do is going to do anything about that. cut off all available resources? you think that's going to stop them? people who emigrate here from china, mexico, haiti, el salvador, etc... dont even have that at home. at least here they can make some money. so that's kinda like slapping a band aid on the problem. you can stand next to your dome tent at the us/mex border with your binoculars and walkie talkies (all of which were made in china) and it isnt really going to do a damn thing is it? so you had better just get yourself enrolled in a spanish classes cuz theyre coming.  
if youre "so concerned" with our economy than why dont you invest your principles in something more meaningful like the trade deficit and our oil dependency.
then again, if it's just "coluhed" people you dont like, then by all means, keep on marching and saluting.
Wow you are so far out there it is hard to keep up! I never suggested anything other than keeping illegal immigrants out of the country. You can try to twist that all you want, it does not change the fact that illegal immirgrants do not belong in this country, I dont care how "bad' they have it in their country.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
i dont know, why dont you "direct-connect" with Him. you always seem to have all the answers for everyone. 
It's because I actually read my Bible before I go spewing out the garbage that you are. Try reading yours and maybe you'd see what it really says.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
I dont care how "bad' they have it in their country.
again, Christian principles hard at work.
i am sure am glad my church just raised a whole bunch of cash to send to Ethiopia to repair some schools that were destroyed by the sudanese militia. then again, those bastids are using up our resources and theyre not even in our damned country!  buncha crazy 3rd world foreigners  good thing we live in America! 
glad to help them. as long as they dont live close enough to walk over here. whew! 
Originally posted by Tourgasm:
Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Way to take it out of context. My point was that no matter how bad they have it in their country does not justify their coming into mine illegally. I have no problem with churches supporting other countries, which is why I have gone on missions trips before, have you?
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ah, too over the top. 
ok, im done with this game. now back to your regularly scheduled bs.
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Originally posted by Tourgasm:
Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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So when you state that "Christian principles work" you are suggesting that the overriding be-all and end-all of Christian principles is blind faith and loyalty to the present government and all its laws and lawmakers? Wasn't Christianity itself illegal in the Roman Empire for several centuries? According to your belief, wasn't practicing Christianity therefore unchristian.
Is your view on illegal imigration based solely upon the fact that it is technically illegal according to our current laws or do you have an independent Christian basis for opposing illegal immigration? If the laws were to suddenly change so as to decriminalize illegal immigration, would it be your Christian duty to change your personal opinion?
It seems to me that if we were a true Christian nation with Christain leadership, that the obviously Christian thing to do would be to welcome unfortunate citizens from around the world to our country. If Jesus were in charge, would He really turn down these people at the borders and/or have them arrested?
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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
99SESPORT
So when you state that "Christian principles work" you are suggesting that the overriding be-all and end-all of Christian principles is blind faith and loyalty to the present government and all its laws and lawmakers? Wasn't Christianity itself illegal in the Roman Empire for several centuries? According to your belief, wasn't practicing Christianity therefore unchristian.
Is your view on illegal imigration based solely upon the fact that it is technically illegal according to our current laws or do you have an independent Christian basis for opposing illegal immigration? If the laws were to suddenly change so as to decriminalize illegal immigration, would it be your Christian duty to change your personal opinion?
It seems to me that if we were a true Christian nation with Christain leadership, that the obviously Christian thing to do would be to welcome unfortunate citizens from around the world to our country. If Jesus were in charge, would He really turn down these people at the borders and/or have them arrested?
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Again, please tell me you are kidding right?
im sorry, i just had to. ok ill stop.
really.
Originally posted by Tourgasm:
Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
99SESPORT
So when you state that "Christian principles work" you are suggesting that the overriding be-all and end-all of Christian principles is blind faith and loyalty to the present government and all its laws and lawmakers? Wasn't Christianity itself illegal in the Roman Empire for several centuries? According to your belief, wasn't practicing Christianity therefore unchristian.
Is your view on illegal imigration based solely upon the fact that it is technically illegal according to our current laws or do you have an independent Christian basis for opposing illegal immigration? If the laws were to suddenly change so as to decriminalize illegal immigration, would it be your Christian duty to change your personal opinion?
It seems to me that if we were a true Christian nation with Christain leadership, that the obviously Christian thing to do would be to welcome unfortunate citizens from around the world to our country. If Jesus were in charge, would He really turn down these people at the borders and/or have them arrested?
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Again, please tell me you are kidding right?
im sorry, i just had to. ok ill stop.
really.
You guys need to keep your posts, within this thread, on topic and take your discussion to PM's, IM's or whatever you want to do. This includes everyone, not just the people quoted here! 
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Who can blame Mexicans for just running for the boarder when we put very little effort into stopping them? We've set the stage for what's happening, so we can only blame ourselves.
I am glad that we are starting to get our ish together and are finding ways to bypass the federal government's lack of effort in guarding our boarders. From the effort in Texas to get an all volenteer militia to be funded by our government to guard it's share of the US/Mexico boarder to the Minutemen. The fact that the Mexican drug runners and coyotes have put bounties on the Minutemen's heads tells me who's really getting hit by their actions.
By securing our boarders, we have control of keeping the bad side of the Mexican population from entering for the most part. Then the many, many hard working good people of Mexico can become legal citizens of the United States of America the correct way.
That's my opinion anyway......
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Screw the "Christian Principles". Let the Christians take care of the illegals. I sure don't want my tax money going to educate their kids, pay for their car accidents when they don't have liability insurance, or pay for their welfare. The illegals need to be rounded up and sent back to Mexico.
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Originally posted by Pigeon:
Here's an honest question: How hard is it to legally emigrate from Mexico to the US? What's involved, how much does it cost, how long does it take, etc.?
Scott
Well, if you look at the few dozen posts in this thread, no one really cares about this.
Of course it's much easier to say "but why don't they come legally" because for that you don't have to come back to this nasty thing called reality.
For permanent immigration, there's a cap of about 700,000 people per year (globally).
- about 60-70% of those are reserved for "family (re)unification" - siblings, spouses and children of US citizens.
- about 20-25% are for "speciality workers" (top athletes, professors, special skills ppl) This typically goes to ppl who are in the US for several years already (e.g. visiting professors) and they decide to emigrate permanently.
- about 50-55,000 visas are for the "visa lottery" (you have no chance for this from Mexico)
The permanent immigration process takes 3-12 years and a lot of dough for the immigration lawyer.
If you do not fit into any of those categories, you can apply for "temporary worker" visas, of which there's an annual cap of 65,000 for "unskilled" and 65,000 for college degree ppl. You can hold a temporary worker visa typically for 1-6 years, and your employer has to prove for the gov't that there is no US citizen for the particular job.
The application costs roughly $1000-3000 (I guess since it is done by the employer - the gov't charges about $1500 plus the immigration lawyer's fees).
This process doesn't take very long, a few months usually. Your chance is basically determined by how big/rich the company is wanting to hire you. Your employer has to do this process, you cannot do it yourself.
There are a few other ways to work temporarily in the USA, but those are typically shorter term and not many people are eligible. Definitely not your typical Latino tomato picker.
Just for the perspective, there are about 10-12 million people in the US illegally.
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