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Originally posted by RTStabler51:

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So, since the inception of the religous talk in this thread I've gathered this..

Christians are bad and evil and the root cause of the problem
Islam / Muslim are good and misunderstood.

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Originally posted by spgoode:

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Originally posted by RTStabler51:

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So, since the inception of the religous talk in this thread I've gathered this..

Christians are bad and evil and the root cause of the problem
Islam / Muslim are good and misunderstood.

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What I got from this thread is that all the major religions were concieved at a time when the average life had very little value. Today some backward cultures use this ancient "wisdom" to justify violence, since their value of life has not changed. Modern cultures place much more value on life and instead often use this ancient "wisdom" for financial or polital power.
Like it or not christianity and islam share the old testament which has much outdated thinking in it. The saviors of these religions advanced their own interpretations of the bible and updated God's law to fit.

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Originally posted by Swazo:

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Originally posted by RTStabler51:

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Again, UBL's connection to the Somalia conflict is vague at best, and IIRC has never been proven.

Originally posted by Swazo:

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I never said that Somolia had anything to do with terrorism. I meant that there were TONS of non-Arab Islamics that were guided by OBL and/or people from his ranks. Just pointing out direct combatants will come from OBL that AREN'T Arab, and the US has come across them.

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I don't think any of us are denying that there are nutcase Christians out there. However, the radical sect of Islam has proven over and over again to be much more of a threat to all of us 'infidels'

Originally posted by Swazo:

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I am saying that since someone is Christian doesn't mean they won't commit evil or wrong doing.

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I've read about key figures directly from OBL in Somolia, I'll have to find my reference.

No doubt about it, OBL's sect of Islam and others much like from Egypt or Saudi Arabia, are the biggest threat to us right now. I simply can't wait for OBL's head on a pike.

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OK, I found the link to OBL from the British Government. In 1993 OBL sent Muhammed Atef to give military training and assistance to Somalis. On October 3rd and 4th of that year, during the very same battle that many of my fellow Army Rangers were killed in (The movie "Black Hawk Down" was of this battle), the Somalis under Aidid's command used RPG's to bring down 2 Black Hawks by hitting the tail rotors. Those were not skills possesed by the Somalis, and is a definitive example of the training they recieved by Arab's that fought against the Soviets, who were trained by our own military.

Also in the Manhattan trial, Mohamed Odeh was given up as someone who trained troops that were opposed to Aidid.

OBL himself consistantly spoke of his jihad in Somalia against the "American invaders".

Originally posted by Swazo:

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Originally posted by Swazo:

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Originally posted by RTStabler51:

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Again, UBL's connection to the Somalia conflict is vague at best, and IIRC has never been proven.

Originally posted by Swazo:

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I never said that Somolia had anything to do with terrorism. I meant that there were TONS of non-Arab Islamics that were guided by OBL and/or people from his ranks. Just pointing out direct combatants will come from OBL that AREN'T Arab, and the US has come across them.

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I don't think any of us are denying that there are nutcase Christians out there. However, the radical sect of Islam has proven over and over again to be much more of a threat to all of us 'infidels'

Originally posted by Swazo:

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I am saying that since someone is Christian doesn't mean they won't commit evil or wrong doing.

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I've read about key figures directly from OBL in Somolia, I'll have to find my reference.

No doubt about it, OBL's sect of Islam and others much like from Egypt or Saudi Arabia, are the biggest threat to us right now. I simply can't wait for OBL's head on a pike.

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OK, I found the link to OBL from the British Government. In 1993 OBL sent Muhammed Atef to give military training and assistance to Somalis. On October 3rd and 4th of that year, during the very same battle that many of my fellow Army Rangers were killed in (The movie "Black Hawk Down" was of this battle), the Somalis under Aidid's command used RPG's to bring down 2 Black Hawks by hitting the tail rotors. Those were not skills possesed by the Somalis, and is a definitive example of the training they recieved by Arab's that fought against the Soviets, who were trained by our own military.

Also in the Manhattan trial, Mohamed Odeh was given up as someone who trained troops that were opposed to Aidid.

OBL himself consistantly spoke of his jihad in Somalia against the "American invaders".

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Originally posted by Davo:

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Originally posted by RTStabler51:

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Christians are bad and evil and the root cause of the problem
Islam / Muslim are good and misunderstood.

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Close. Christians in general are forcing their beliefs and views upon us, and are as dangerous as Islamoterrorists, but don't stereotype Arabs because of a few radicals.

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Originally posted by Swazo:

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But I am for knowing who is attacking us and why, and stopping them before they can do any more harm. To kill your enemy, you have to know them first.

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Typical. And just to clarify, you do not have to know your enemies in order to kill them. All I have to know is that they're trying to kill me, and that will make me want to kill them. But your desire to know them is typical of your side. It wouldn't be a bad thing, but you let the desire to know our enemies hamper our means of destroying them.

Originally posted by Swazo:

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No. People are playing off all of Islam as evil because of OBL. If that's true, then actions of all evil-doing Christians (Aryan Nation, abortion clinic bombings/attacks or any other evil acts) should reflect upon the average Christian.

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Originally posted by contour_phoenix_when:

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The IRA ?

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Originally posted by Davo:

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Originally posted by Swazo:

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But I am for knowing who is attacking us and why, and stopping them before they can do any more harm. To kill your enemy, you have to know them first.

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Typical. And just to clarify, you do not have to know your enemies in order to kill them. All I have to know is that they're trying to kill me, and that will make me want to kill them. But your desire to know them is typical of your side. It wouldn't be a bad thing, but you let the desire to know our enemies hamper our means of destroying them.

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When you've been in the military davo, then you can talk The more knowledge you have about who you're dealing with, the better off you are. That doesn't mean sit on our hands and wait for them to attack us again