Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums General Common Interests NYC Officials Call for Racial Profiling

agreed, from a security stand point profiling does work. don't bother debating it.
-and just what are we profiling you ask? muslims. they are by far most likely to to try attack the west in a terrorist manor today.
-what do most (but not all, we know that) muslims look like? mostly dark skinned although not dark enough to be considered black. most of them are middle eastern in origin although they may not live there or have been born there.
-do they generally resemble any other groups? hispanics a little, assuming you don't know what a hispanic/latino/chicano person looks like.
-does this mean that we should ignore anyone who doesn't fit this mold? no
-should we ignore muslims in the interest of not offending people. no
-should we stop all muslims because they fit this mold. no

well gee gosh and golly darn. a little bit of simple reasoning and there we have it. an accurate basic profile of who is most likely to be an fundamental islamic terrorist.

personal real world example:
about a year ago i was stopped, searched via the "pat down", grilled by four sapd cops with another in the whirly bird floating above and (with my permission) my car was searched at 1:30 in the morning because i didn't look like i belonged in that part of town at that hour. the exact statement was, "you don't look like you belong here." admittedly i was fussing with my headlights while driving through the residential area surrounding my apartment so i was attracting attention to myself and deserved the attention i received. after about twenty minutes of proving we were positioned just below my apartment i was released with the only real consequence being my large size number 4 from carls jr was then cold. moral, in the interest of protecting the community at large i was detained and released shortly thereafter. for their trouble i thanked the officers for trying to protect the community at large even though i was inconvienenced. so yes, even when i am negatively effected i support profiling.

When did it become a *right* to fly? We all have the *right* to free speech but I don't remember anything in the Bill of Rights addressing the *right* to fly. Last I checked flying, like driving, was a privledge to enjoyed by law-abiding citizens. Therefore I can't see how my *rights* are being violated if someone pulls me aside to make sure I"m not going to blow up the plane. If there are any *rights* being violated it is those of the thousands of innocent civilians being killed by terrorists taking advantage of our system.

It is disgusting that some people make this out to be a racial issue. Who here *hasn't* been searched?---Big friggin deal, right? In fact if you're upset about getting searched then I"ve got wonder... and Goonz, YOU are starting to sicken me. Your posts on terror-related subjects reek with sympathy towards the terrorist cause.

The thing I find lacking in the anti-profiling people is a lack of an arguement that profiling does not work. They only 'argument' if you want to call it was is that it 'takes your rights away'. Which I find very weak. You are the same people who complain that Gitmo is so inhumane (yet, those prisoners have it way better than alot of US citizens). The same people who claim the war in iraq is 'for' oil.

Sitting back and doing nothing is not going to solve a problem. However, you are the ones who will [censored] about the government not doing anything when the next attack happens. I'm tired of Muslims claiming 'discrimination' because of hte worlds events. Wake up and smell the focking coffee. You aren't doing anything with your own, so it's said, that the ones are, are turned into the 'bad ones'.

Profiling is definitely needed and makes sense. The only thing I see wrong in this thread is that people keep calling it racial profiling. In actuality it's TERRORIST profiling. It just happens to be a fact that alost ALL the terrorism in the world over the last decade, with few exceptions, happens to have been perpetrated by Islamic radical fundamentalist extremists. It makes perfect sense to devote more of our security resources to the group of people who attacked us on 9/11 and who attacked Spain and London, I could go on, but you get the point. If any of our peace loving Islamic bretheren (the majority, I'm sure) don't like this, then instead of yelling at us, they should spend their energy yelling at the extremists who are comitting and financing the terrorist acts. Don't see that happening, do you? If it was tall white folks of Danish descent (like me), I'd EXPECT to be stopped every time I took mass transit or flew. I, personally, thank the folks for helping me feel safe every time I'm searched.

No you missed the point again!
When people lose their right to (whatever measure of) freedom they have come to know they have also lost their ability to affect any kind of change in their government.(Psst, like Germany and Russia)

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Nice job comparing the safety of innocent people to the greed of Hitler and the USSR.

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Hitler = 6,000,000 Jews killed.
Stalin = A conservative estimate of 10,000,000 of his own people killed.
All these people were guilt? No, all these people were killed by rampant fear. A fear that they would destroy their society. A fear fostered by people like yourself saying "Giving up this one little thing is no big deal it will protect us". It didn't turn out that way did it?

The bill of rights does not discriminate and neither should we.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.