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I am not against windows, as i am using it. and will probably upgrade to vista after the first wave of updates come out (fixing all the release bugs). as for linux, i use it dual boot on my machine with windows.
ah yes, and on to the subject of macs... if you want a "good" mac, buy one now. the best thing about macs is their processor architecture. mac and AMD processors share the same architecture which is far superior to Intel. HOWEVER, mac is switching over to intel processors sometime in the near future. I think this is going to cause a change in the computers that are used for heavy production (Video editing, sound recording) which are mac now... but when they switch to intel, i have a feeling that AMD is going to be powering the next generation of high performance machines.
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I ran the Longhorn beta, was kinda cool but really 2k is fine and XP is just getting its bugs worked out. I run Mandrake Linux on one of my computers, I love it. But sometimes I don't want to think so I just run XP. I also love Knoppix which is Linux that runs off a CD and never installs anything. I am running that on my moms computer until I get around to ordering new parts for hers.
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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
but when they switch to intel, i have a feeling that AMD is going to be powering the next generation of high performance machines.
Woot!!!! Hopefully Leopard will run on Athlon 64's cuz that's what I'm rockin on the desktop right now.
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
I love all the anti-Microsoft posts, it just cracks me up. Have you ever taken the time to consider what our lives would be like without Microsoft? Do you think we'd be where we are today in the computing world? ...
I don't really think Microsoft is evil; I think they've been in the spotlight too long, and their products are suffering as a result. IBM knew when to bow out... ...or at least cut back.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
I've been the lead sys admin on major companies in my past, supporting both Linux and Windows networks. I'd much rather admin a windows network than a Linux network any day. (And I was an original HP/UX Kernel programmer back in the day, so its not like I don't know what I'm doing on UNIX.)
First, kernel programming and server administration are ENTIRELY separate beasts. Letting a kernel programmer loose to admin a DC full of *NIX gear is a terrible waste of resources.
Admining a "Linux network" (or any *NIX based farm) isn't that damned hard; just requires that you know wtf you're doing and know How Things Work with respect to users, applications and the OS. Same with a "Windows network"... If you know how to build an environment correctly, two admins can handle 60+ servers whether it's Solaris, Linux, VMS, NT4, Win2003, etc...
Originally posted by EternalOne:
People can [censored] and moan all they want, but without Microsoft dumping billions into small companies like mine each year, there is no way we'd be where we are today. In terms of usability, gaming, networking, everything. Who do you think helped fund the Cisco core-router project that brought the net to life?
Call me a sheep all you want, but I'll sit in my a/c office, working on my windows machines, coding .Net and DirectX, managing a windows network, all while laughing all the way to the bank.
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For me, it's all about having the right tool for the job; I want absolute control over what, how, and why something is running. *NIX based OSes allow that better than Windows (in my opinion).
Linux is a hassle for some; Some folks move to different distros looking for the 'perfect desktop setup' when really, it's all about knowing how to deal with the underlying issue. Sure, there are folks trying to make Linux as easy as using Windows, but where's the motivation to learn about what's REALLY going on?
Ugh... I'll shut up now.
... And E1, I mean no disrespect. =]
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With you on that one, but let me ask you: Do you perceive anything wrong with Linux & others offering an alternative to MS? I would hope not. Sure, Linux is not the big kid on the block, but they are serving their purpose, I think.
Of course not. I use Linux myself, as a router and a fileserver using Samba. I also have a few Solaris x86 machines, and two old school SunOS pizzaboxes, but those are mostly for my test environment.
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The innovations & pushing/steering of technology is in their best interest with other companies nipping at their heels.
I agree with this as well. My problem only comes in when people blame Microsoft for shoddy products, and bad practices, when its nothing more than standard business with complex software. I've written software that's 1/100th the size of the Windows codebase, and managed to have next to impossible bugs to find. We had the same problems at Symantec, multiple teams, each working on their part of the code, and then when things are put together, they don't quite work as planned. Its all a part of large-scale software dev.
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First, kernel programming and server administration are ENTIRELY separate beasts. Letting a kernel programmer loose to admin a DC full of *NIX gear is a terrible waste of resources.
I have based my entire career around system administration. It just so happens I have also been coding since I was 14, and with the advanced knowledge I had of the kernel, I was offered a position I could not refuse. Once I was offered to be the lead admin at Symantec, I had to take the job. Nothing like being the primary admin on 4 networks, totalling over 500 machines. When at H-E-B I was the lead admin for a network of over 7000 machines, all servers for the stores, with only 1500 or so of them being windows (Citrix, actually).
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Admining a "Linux network" (or any *NIX based farm) isn't that damned hard;
Try pushing out software updates to 10k machines over an x.25 satelite network.  The only option became to either hand-write distribution software, or install Tivoli. We went with Tivoli, and even then the windows machines were more apt to accept the updates than their UNIX counterparts.
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I want absolute control over what, how, and why something is running. *NIX based OSes allow that better than Windows (in my opinion).
Sure they do. But, that control can also get you into nightmares in the long run. From an admin standpoint its much easier to maintain 100 settings vs 100,000 settings. (Just an outta-the-butt example.)
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Sure, there are folks trying to make Linux as easy as using Windows, but where's the motivation to learn about what's REALLY going on?
I'm from the UNIX "old school". I prefer UNIX shell, and no GUI. Ever since they've started adding a GUI to UNIX flavours, they've started to eliminate its usefulness. They now are trying to compete with Windows, instead of sticking it out in their niche, where they were dominant. They now have to spend much more time making sure X, Gnome, or whatever works, when they could be fixing the filesystem problems, or the hardware compatiblity issues.
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... And E1, I mean no disrespect. =]
None taken. =) I enjoy good thought out discussions like this. It's only when people take the "MS is evil! They should be taken out!" attitude that I get annoyed.
I have a rather unique background, and thus a different idea of things. I was 100% a "UNIX guy" for years. My first computer was a SunOS machine, long before I ever got my first copy of Windows 95. I've admin'd major networks for both UNIX and Windows, and I've programmed on both branches, as well. From my standpoint, Microsoft has made life easier for devs, admins, and users alike -- of which I am all 3. I can't imagine what it'd be like for me trying to do 3D API development on UNIX -- but MS makes that easy for me -- along with a host of other things they make easier on a day to day basis.
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Microsoft needs to have their hand checked from time to time and that's all I have to say. I too run windows because there's really no other "option" as far as business and compatibility goes. I do hope Vista has good backwards compatibility since I like to run alot of older games 
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wow, it looks like after what, 20 years Microsoft is going to make a aesthetically pleasing GUI. Thats the one thing I have allways hated about Windows, its ugly. Go use a Mac for a while and you will agree, and ever since getting an iBook a couple weeks ago, Windows ugliness has started to bother me 
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