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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Now... let me see if i can wrap my head around this... you are going to run a new, BETA version of the most bug and problem filled software on the market....
see what good marketing can do for you.
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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Now... let me see if i can wrap my head around this... you are going to run a new, BETA version of the most bug and problem filled software on the market.... Microsoft just barely got windows XP under control now... my suggestion as a computer science student, would be to stick with your current OS unless you are just installing the beta on a computer that you dont use just for the hell of it. when the development process is over, you still have to buy the software in all its bug filled glory... and then you still have to reinstall it on your computer...  go out and buy (or download as alot are free) a good version of linux.
Spoken like a true anti-Microsoft lemming. 
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Now... let me see if i can wrap my head around this... you are going to run a new, BETA version of the most bug and problem filled software on the market.... Microsoft just barely got windows XP under control now... my suggestion as a computer science student, would be to stick with your current OS unless you are just installing the beta on a computer that you dont use just for the hell of it. when the development process is over, you still have to buy the software in all its bug filled glory... and then you still have to reinstall it on your computer... go out and buy (or download as alot are free) a good version of linux.
Spoken like a true anti-Microsoft lemming.
I have been spending more and more time using my computer these days.. ie: torrents, filesharing, networking and what not. I would have to say that Windows is a huge pain in the arse, and everyone I know who has a Mac loves it. In the near future I might consider a Mac, but in the meantime would Linux be a nice change of scenery? or at least something less buggy then XP? I have a pretty good knowledge base with computers, so I think I would be able to figure alot of the differences out. Basically, I know nothing about Linux, and after a quick web search, I didn't find anything that compelling...
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I spend a majority of my day on / near a computer due to my line of work... and I have some input on this. MAC OS - Good, I like using it, but some of the things in it I really don't like. I am getting used to it, since I have only had my ibook for about a week and a half now. Linux - Good, I also like it, but if you arn't willing to dedicate time to figuring out why things break... don't even bother running it. Things break all the time, configuration for things can be a pain at times. I've run slackware, redhat, mandrake, and most currently gentoo (stage 1 install). Windows - Good, I like it for mindless computing. For everyone that complains... you have to admire what they have done. Imaging building a car with any engine, any powertrain, and size tires, and body and still having it work... yeah right. That will never happen. But with windows, it still manages to work even with all the hodge-podge hardware thats out there. Granted some things don't always go smoothly... but the sheer amount of hardware that windows supports that is almost 'plug and play' is absolutly amazing. Yes mac's run smoother, but apple also sells the hardware... so they can assure it works. Just imaging having to buy all your pc hardware from microsoft. Just some food for thought. FYI, I have 3 computers sitting here right now. A new toshiba laptop running xp pro, a 2 year old ibook running the newest osX version and a desktop running gentoo linux... and I am posting from the windows machine because I am on lunch break from work and I want something mindless and easy. BOT, I am downloading the beta right now so I can check it out. I ran an old beta of 'longhorn' many months ago and it was interesting. 
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Originally posted by guitarman19853:
my suggestion as a computer science student
I guess those "semesters" of experience will override the developers that spent countless man hours developing Vista? How can the product get better if no one beta tests it? Some people are leaders, some are followers, I guess you are a follower.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by guitarman19853:
Now... let me see if i can wrap my head around this... you are going to run a new, BETA version of the most bug and problem filled software on the market.... Microsoft just barely got windows XP under control now... my suggestion as a computer science student, would be to stick with your current OS unless you are just installing the beta on a computer that you dont use just for the hell of it. when the development process is over, you still have to buy the software in all its bug filled glory... and then you still have to reinstall it on your computer... go out and buy (or download as alot are free) a good version of linux.
Spoken like a true anti-Microsoft lemming.
Linux users are more free enterprise revolutionaries at this point IMHO. Microsoft flat out stealing software to integrate into their own OS had me suspicious of them back in the 80s. When they pulled the double license fee blackmail on the hardware/software vendors with Internet Explorer, they lost any hope of gaining my trust.
Competition is a healthy thing & drives innovation & progress. Kudos to Linux for taking on the giant. I was truely bummed when IBM pulled out of the OS development fray.
M$ has their OS shortcomings & Linux has its limitations too, but thank God there is an alternative to being another bleeting M$ sheep.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
being another bleeting M$ sheep.
baaaaaah
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I love all the anti-Microsoft posts, it just cracks me up. Have you ever taken the time to consider what our lives would be like without Microsoft? Do you think we'd be where we are today in the computing world? Do you understand how much money is put into R&D by MS every year?
I've been the lead sys admin on major companies in my past, supporting both Linux and Windows networks. I'd much rather admin a windows network than a Linux network any day. (And I was an original HP/UX Kernel programmer back in the day, so its not like I don't know what I'm doing on UNIX.)
People can [censored] and moan all they want, but without Microsoft dumping billions into small companies like mine each year, there is no way we'd be where we are today. In terms of usability, gaming, networking, everything. Who do you think helped fund the Cisco core-router project that brought the net to life?
Call me a sheep all you want, but I'll sit in my a/c office, working on my windows machines, coding .Net and DirectX, managing a windows network, all while laughing all the way to the bank.
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guess i shoulda kept this post to myself eh? I'm not "cultish" about my OS. I've had XP since Whistler and have had NO PROBLEMS....no spyware,no Viruses, no fatal crashes....hell, no crashes at all!!!!!! Just use your brains when you use your computer...oh, and use Firefox 
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
I love all the anti-Microsoft posts, it just cracks me up. Have you ever taken the time to consider what our lives would be like without Microsoft? Do you think we'd be where we are today in the computing world? Do you understand how much money is put into R&D by MS every year?
Yes. Have you considered how much innovation there might NOT be if MS was the only game in town? Do you really think they'd sink that much into R&D if they could just coast on existing technology & burp up the occasional upgrade? Besides, I never said I was anti-MS, I just don't trust them based on past behavior.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
I've been the lead sys admin on major companies in my past, supporting both Linux and Windows networks. I'd much rather admin a windows network than a Linux network any day. (And I was an original HP/UX Kernel programmer back in the day, so its not like I don't know what I'm doing on UNIX.)
With you on that one, but let me ask you: Do you perceive anything wrong with Linux & others offering an alternative to MS? I would hope not. Sure, Linux is not the big kid on the block, but they are serving their purpose, I think.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
People can [censored] and moan all they want, but without Microsoft dumping billions into small companies like mine each year, there is no way we'd be where we are today. In terms of usability, gaming, networking, everything. Who do you think helped fund the Cisco core-router project that brought the net to life?
See my response to your first paragraph. The innovations & pushing/steering of technology is in their best interest with other companies nipping at their heels. And of course, they like to steer that technology in their own favor to keep themselves at the top of the food chain. Can't blame them there, I'd do the same and I think that's fine. Keeps the technology moving and guys like you in business.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Call me a sheep all you want, but I'll sit in my a/c office, working on my windows machines, coding .Net and DirectX, managing a windows network, all while laughing all the way to the bank.
Sound business sense you do not lack. You go with the major player. I would too.
It would seem we're on the same side in this, for the most part. Hooray for us. But I'd like to keep the others in the fight, just to keep MS honest & the journey interesting. I hope you have a more clear understanding of my position on MS. Whether you agree with it or not is another matter.
By the way, when is this Vista projected to get to market?
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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