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Anybody heard of this?

I saw this on World News Tonight. It seems like a "Christian" utopia of sorts. Kind of cool, but utopias are never what they promise to be.

www.christianexodus.com

What are your thoughts on this?


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Sure Christians have been trying to return the US to its "moral roots" for 30 years but this country is made up of more than Christians. Beyond that the job of Christians is not to live in closed communities. The goal is to spread the word so I don't really think this is either healthy or all that it's cracked up to be. The best thing to do is live by example in with non-Chrisians. The Bible tells us the Jesus did not simply stay with those who believed in him; nor should Christians 2000 years later.


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See sig. I was pretty taken aback by their subversive goals when I first read about them in GQ about a month ago. If they just wanted to set up a community where everyone had the same beliefs, fine. But their stated goal is to win power on steadily-increasing levels until the US becomes a theocracy. And despite what many ultra-religious people will tell you, the US was never intended to be a theocracy.


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I'm with Wien. There appears to be so much on the site that is problematic, that its hard to know where to start a critique. Among several other things, the general tone sounds like its playing on peoples fears. When politicians promote their agendas by instilling fear in people its just wrong. And when anyone in any religious denomination does it, its not only wrong its downright unbiblical. The Bible tells us over and again to be not afraid. Of course if you don't believe in God or the Bible, fearmongering is bad news any way you look at it.


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My vision of "utopia" doesn't involve the Klan. This website's ideology sounds a lot like the introductory pamphlets handed out by the Klan. I wonder why they picked South Carolina to have a "Utopia" ?


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Does any one else find it ironic that the whole first page is about restoring the "Godly" republic and basically talking about how christianity needs to be restored in all facets of government, and then in the upper right hand corner they have the quote:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
That quote right there makes thier intentions unconstitutional.
Apparently that should read "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion except christianity, or prohibiting the free exercise of christianity"


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Christian Exodus is instructive because it reveals the real goals of many in the evangelical movement. Like many evangelical groups, CE wants to expand its influence to the secular realm. It openly admits to seeking political power. It wants to remake the U.S. government into Bible Nation.

But the real threat to secular democracy comes not from fringe groups like CE, but from the evangelical megachurches. Megachurches are nondenominational churches with thousands (or tens of thousands) of members and lots of money and political influence. Leaders of the largest megachurches meet regularly with Bush and the neocons in the administration. They are ferociously market-driven and openly seek to influence policy. They contribute heavily to right-wing evangelical candidates, and apply pressure on issues like illegalizing abortion, federal money for churches to run social programs, prayer in schools, and prohibition of gay marriage. (See article in February issue of The Atlantic Monthly, "Welcome to the Next Church.")

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They seek politcal gain through financial means, kind of like the AFL-CIO or ANY other group. Sounds like you don't want a faith-based group to rightly participate in the free selection of this country's leaders. Denying a group access to democracy; you can't be serious!


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Originally posted by caltour:
Christian Exodus is instructive because it reveals the real goals of many in the evangelical movement. Like many evangelical groups, CE wants to expand its influence to the secular realm. It openly admits to seeking political power. It wants to remake the U.S. government into Bible Nation.




Sorry but if you think the "real goal" of the evangelical movement is political then you are just showing how uninformed you really are. Their real goal is to get people saved.

You are sounding like you believe the evengelical movement is a sham just to gain poltical power. Give me a break. Of course they want to see their beliefs exercised in their government, but what group doesn't? However, for you to say that is their real goal shows just how little you know about the evangelical church.


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Well, I agree with or at least understand some of their gripes, but I take issue with their "solution." What they want to do is get a bunch of people to move to SC, declare residency, and vote. In this way, state by state, they hope to "reclaim" America, somehow.

I have ethical misgivings about this, for one, and for another, I don't see how it could possibly work. In one sense, it's like the "Don't buy gas on Wednesday" e-mails. Even if people actually participate, the result is shortlived if it's felt at all.

The battle for the hearts and minds of the gentiles is not won in Congress.

As for why they would quote the first amendment: I think the point is that many Christians feel as if they are being restricted from the "free exercise" of their religion.


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