thanks Fave! I will try this tomorow and see what relay kicks on and off.

ps. should the green relay slot be hot when the AC is on? the black one is, the green one is not. I tried to jump 3-5 on the green Nothing! the black relay starts the fans right away. thanks

also when I put the green relay in the black slot with the ac on the green relay clicks loudly and the fans come on?