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Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Especially when going to war in Iraq doesn't have anything to do with conservatism as an ideology, it has to do with republicans as a party
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Originally posted by SVTatGT:
If a republican senator doesn't agree with one of Bush's policies does that mean he is automatically a liberal. Your argument makes no sense.
Who is saying that? I'm not denying that there's a continuum, but it's not distributed as evenly as Viss1 is implying, especially in Washington.
nor is it as clean cut as you're trying to make it seem.
you can back track, rephrase, and try as you may to muddy the distinction between politics and gov all you want. they are one in the same.
this is extremely funny to me cause you're looking more and more like a noun that starts with an i and ends with a t and has dio in the middle the more you post on this topic.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Especially when going to war in Iraq doesn't have anything to do with conservatism as an ideology, it has to do with republicans as a party
you can be a conservative without being a republican...
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Originally posted by BP:
this is extremely funny to me cause you're looking more and more like a noun that starts with an i and ends with a t and has dio in the middle the more you post on this topic.
Yeah, and you look like a genius coming into conversations only to call people idiots. 
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Originally posted by Davo:
I'm not denying that there's a continuum, but it's not distributed as evenly as Viss1 is implying, especially in Washington.
So is this an admission that people other than liberals sometimes criticise Bush's policies?
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Originally posted by Viss1:
So is this an admission that people other than liberals sometimes criticise Bush's policies?
No. What I'm saying is that there is extreme on one end and extreme on the other, with people many areas in between. You seem to think many or most people are in the middle somewhere, and that's not true.
Having said that, there are people other than liberals who criticize some of Bush's policies, me being one of them. If someone claims to be conservative but criticizes ALL of Bush's policies, then you have to question their claim of being a conservative (since Bush has many conservative policies). However, when I criticize a Bush policy (prescription drug coverage, for example), it's because it's a policy that doesn't fall in line with my ideology, not because I'm being a liberal.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Viss1:
So is this an admission that people other than liberals sometimes criticise Bush's policies?
No.
Actually you mean "yes," unless you want me to ignore the rest of your answer.
Originally posted by Davo:
You seem to think many or most people are in the middle somewhere
Based on...?
But FWIW AFAIK most people fall outside the far right or far left if given a list of specific issues to choose yes/no on.
Originally posted by Davo:
Having said that, there are people other than liberals who criticize some of Bush's policies, me being one of them.
That's what I wanted to hear. Now get off my freaking back about it.
Originally posted by Davo:
If someone claims to be conservative but criticizes ALL of Bush's policies, then you have to question their claim of being a conservative (since Bush has many conservative policies).
That's a nice thought, but it's kind of tangential to our discussion unless you thought I was claiming to be conservative.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Actually you mean "yes," unless you want me to ignore the rest of your answer.
Actually, I meant 'no'. My statement was not an 'admission' to anything, and addressed a completely different point, which I described (so I guess you did ignore the rest of my reply).
But don't take that as denying that people other than liberals criticize Bush policies. It would be pretty stupid for me to deny that, since I am not a liberal and am often critical of Bush policies. But I'm not going to sit here and claim to be a moderate like you claim to be.
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Originally posted by Davo:
many or most people are in the middle somewhere, and that's not true.
i strongly disagree. most people have a tendency to be closer to the middle than you think.
it's usually when the few try to polarize the many and force them to be "with us or against us" that people drift to further to ends of the spectrum. this is why we need a stronger 3rd party and also why a moderate candidate could run away with the '08 election.
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Originally posted by Davo:
My statement was not an 'admission' to anything, and addressed a completely different point
I'm having trouble seeing how there are people other than liberals who criticize some of Bush's policies is "a competely different point" from people other than liberals sometimes criticise Bush's policies.
Iâ??ll review what Iâ??ve learned from your posts todayâ?¦
Originally posted by Davo:
the only judges who can interpret the Constitution correctly also happen to be 'hard-line conservatives'.
Yeah! Give them liberals hell!
But waitâ?¦
Originally posted by Davo:
conservatives more often make good decisions
What the hell is this, are you a pansy-arse liberal or something? â??More often?â? I like the all-or-nothinâ?? Davo better than the "more often" Davo.
Originally posted by Davo:
The 'us vs. them' view is the standard. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to read up on 'government basics'.
Thatâ??s what I want to hear! Youâ??re either with us or against us in this ideological war!
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm not denying that there's a continuum
Aww, what theâ?¦ and I was about to vote for you.
Originally posted by Viss1:
So is this an admission that people other than liberals sometimes criticise Bush's policies?
Originally posted by Davo:
Noâ?¦ there are people other than liberals who criticize some of Bush's policies
This oneâ??s too classic to adulterate with a sarcastic comment. It must be left on its own and savored sans embellishment.
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