|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,687
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,687 |
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Originally posted by carzyjay:
what about a 3.0L vs the saturn and srt-4?
This post takes back to when I first became a member of the CEG, but back then, it was how about the CSVT vs. the GTP/Regal GS. Back then, it went like this "well, the GTP has a blower and thats not fair!", give me a break, IT IS WHAT IT IS guys! Its a sign of the times, think about it. The CSVT came out in 2000, 5 long years ago and the market has been going up since then. The only thing we can hope for is that our future cousin, the Fusion, gets the MazdaSpeed 6 drivetrain like its supposed to and that will be the midsize car the CSVT could've been. I see myself in that car in about 2 1/2 years and even though it doesn't share any DNA with the Contour, its a family member none the less  As far as losing to these cars, well, just take your medicine, sorry to say it like that, but I'm thinking some of you are in need of a klenex here 
Wait a minute it came out in '98! Anyway, Those SRT-4's really aren't pushovers at the track. *when* you see them out at the nearest track to my town, they are usually handing mustangs their rear-ends silver platters....
But not the Camaros and Firebirds. No Sir!
I think a good 3L, with the proper tuning and transmission+ tires should be able to keep up. I mean some cams, LSD, and a good driver should be able to perform decently against one...
J.T.
2002 Chevrolet Silverado 294ci V8. Custom CAI, headers on the way...
1997 Mercury Mystique Zetec ATX
Deceased February 2006
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,810
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,810 |
Originally posted by SVT25:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
A good 3L SVT swap will beat a redline/SS and run even with an SRT-4 or modified redline/SS.
No way!!! A 3L will not hang with an SRT-4. They run 13.8 in the 1/4 all stock, and it will hit 60 before your out of 2nd gear. Maybe a modded 3L would have a slight chance
Go clear your mind. Every stock SRT-4 I've seen run at the track that is stock runs mit to low 14's. NEVER in 15 trips to the drag strip have I ever seen a stock SRT-4 run less than a 14.2 at the strip. That being said I had a friend with a 400 HP SRT-4 and that [censored] would roll! Nice car too. Most of the stock SRT4 I've seen run mid 14's with a normal driver.
I guess keep in mind that this is in souther states with higher track temps so it could be happening in northern states with cooler temps, however it wouldn't be 13.8's stock there either!
Hell the best I saw a stock EVO run was 14.0 and the best run on an evo period was 13.6 but the guy was running as much boost as possibler with an aftermarket boost controller.
So um NO. Most good 3L will run even with a stock SRT-4 and after that if both are well modded I'm leaning towards the SRT-4 unless the SVT is also turbo, then it's anyones game.
Former owner of '99 CSVT - Silver #222/2760
356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
See My Mods
'05 Volvo S40 Turbo 5 AWD with 6spd, Passion Red
'06 Mazda5 Touring, 5spd,MTX, Black
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 319
CEG\'er
|
|
CEG\'er
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 319 |
You are forgetting a big factor which is the driver.
I used to race an ex girlfriend of mine in her 200 hp prelude. I had a probe GT with considerably less power. I would pull on her by car lenghts almost everytime. I've ran 'faster' cars like C5 vettes, M3s and cobras in the z and walked away from them..... and seen srt neons loose to much 'slower' cars...
Not to mention, the times you read in the car mags are achieved after launch after launch by experienced drivers who are used to driving everything from turbo neons to F40s. Most average drivers don't get these numbers, especially after you put 20k on the car.
Back to the ion, they are pretty quick, but again it all depends on the driver...I watched one beat a v8 camaro, however the ion was slightly modded.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 9,602
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 9,602 |
Originally posted by dutchie:
I used to race an ex girlfriend of mine in her 200 hp prelude. I had a probe GT with considerably less power. I would pull on her by car lenghts almost everytime. I've ran 'faster' cars like C5 vettes, M3s and cobras in the z and walked away from them..... and seen srt neons loose to much 'slower' cars...
Walked away from C5's & M3's in an under 200HP Probe. BWAHAHAHA!!!!
That's the biggect pile of bullsh~t I've heard in a while. Even bigger then the other thread about running 9.1 to 9.5's and showing 2.5 60' times. 
Wow. That's really a stupid post eh.
2000 SVT #674
13.47 @ 102 - All Motor!
It was not broke; Yet I fixed it anyway.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,292
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,292 |
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by dutchie:
I used to race an ex girlfriend of mine in her 200 hp prelude. I had a probe GT with considerably less power. I would pull on her by car lenghts almost everytime. I've ran 'faster' cars like C5 vettes, M3s and cobras in the z and walked away from them..... and seen srt neons loose to much 'slower' cars...
Walked away from C5's & M3's in an under 200HP Probe. BWAHAHAHA!!!!
That's the biggect pile of bullsh~t I've heard in a while. Even bigger then the other thread about running 9.1 to 9.5's and showing 2.5 60' times.
Wow. That's really a stupid post eh.
........demon...i think(hope) he was talking about his "z" car..
"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."-Aristophanes.
--93 pgt,headers,intake,borla=14.9 1/4mile
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,978
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,978 |
Actually deamon, there were two different sentences. He said he ran his probe against his girlfriends prelude and won. Then he said he ran his Z against the M3 and the C5 vette.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 9,602
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 9,602 |
That's closer to believable then. You both are right I missed the letter z in that sentence. oops...  A C5 would still beat his Z though if the race was more then an 1/8th mile; regardless of launch. From his numbers his Z is about as quick as my car out of the whole and I've raced a few C5's at the track. (including being just beat by one on my 13.4 run)
2000 SVT #674
13.47 @ 102 - All Motor!
It was not broke; Yet I fixed it anyway.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 9,196
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 9,196 |
Sorry about the posting of "they came out in 2000". I meant to say the last one came out in 2000 and alot has happened to this market segment in the past 5+ years, sorry about that
"THEE" Roger R
USMondeo@aol.com
2005 Crossfire Limited coupe'
-FOR SALE @buyout price & I'll...
-throw in my 93' Regal as winter car
*Dragon Run 06'...Oct 12-15th*
Puur-fection Auto Detailing
Complete packages from $140.00
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,810
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,810 |
So by bringing up the magazine and driver issues you are just accidentally confirming what I'm saying. No SRT-4 runs 13.8 stock without a LOT of help. Maybe the track and a good driver with a tailwind. Either way, I really find most neon SRT-4 drivers...distastefull.  Which is why I love to chew them up and spit them out with a broken ego. Except for Steve over in Texas.  It takes a hell of modified SRT-4 to walk me, but his SRT-4 can do it. Props to him and the $35K dollars he's put into the car (yes it's true  ) So no. For what they are they are good cars but lets no add to the hype and blow more smoke up our own asses than they already do. They can be modded easier than contours and are far faster $ for $ except for rare cases.
Former owner of '99 CSVT - Silver #222/2760
356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
See My Mods
'05 Volvo S40 Turbo 5 AWD with 6spd, Passion Red
'06 Mazda5 Touring, 5spd,MTX, Black
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653
I have no life
|
|
I have no life
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653 |
So when you coming to SDR or Cecil warmonger? I wanna see you run my friend's srt4 (just for my enjoyment, I like both cars). As I said, he ran 13.4 with just boost controller, intake, and motor mounts. Now he has exhaust, waste gate, better bov (I don't know if the mopar bov handles the higher boost correctly), and stage one is in the mail. Should be a pretty close race.
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15
|
|
|
|
|
