Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Originally posted by caltour:

My point is that dissent against a bad war like this one will SAVE lives in the long run. It will make it politically more difficult for this president and future presidents to engage in ill-advised and unpopular wars. Preventing wars is what saves soliders from harm.



Your only point is that you are an ignorant left wing nutcase


Why do Bush supporters (and Iraq war supporters) so frequently resort to name-calling? Hint: that's all they have left, since their opinion is not supported by facts.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
You are wrong, there is NEVER a right time for Americans to call Americans terrorists, or torturers, etc.


Exactly who are you arguing with? No one on this site, apparently. I have never seen anyone on this site saying our troops are terrorists or torturers. And I personally never said our troops are terrorists or torturers.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
You talk about a popular war, tell me, who the hell likes war?!


Only sociopaths like ALL wars, I guess. But that is a different issue than whether a particular war is popular with the general public.

World War II is commonly used by American historians as an example of a popular war. The vast, vast majority of Americans thought it was right, and supported it wholeheartedly. It's hard to think of many other examples of a popular war in modern times.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
It is a last resort, and thats how we used it.


Oh, god. We've covered this time and again.

Bush could have cooperated with the UN, and shared the burden of ousting Saddam with the rest of the free world, just like Clinton did in Kosovo, and his father did in Desert Storm.

I am amazed that you still make this "last resort" argument. Most Americans (and most of the rest of the world) don't believe it. They think we could have contained any threat posed by Saddam in a number of other ways. Bush's case for war is widely considered to be an almost complete sham.

Please read the old threads on this, and tell me how Bush had NO OTHER OPTION but war.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Yeah, ask the soldiers that came back from Vietnam under a rain shower of spit and boo's how they feel about the people that thought that war was a mistake.


Of course it was stupid for those Vietnam war protesters to spit on the returning soldiers. But who is spitting on our troops today? Nobody. Even the most ferocious opponents of the Iraq war are careful to show full respect to our troops.

Focus: we're talking about what's the best national policy re: Iraq today. We are not talking about the actions of some dirty-ass stoned hippies 35 years ago.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
The war in Iraq is FAR from a fiasco as you put it.


Prove it. Show us exactly what sources and information you are relying on in making this claim.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Get a clue please, your ignorance is just spewing from every hole in your body, please find something to plug them up already.


Nice. Very nice.