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have you heard any of these immigrants saying, "I refuse to learn English." Nobody says that. Why would someone come here and refuse to learn a language that is important to there well being? Not everything is available in spanish, and immigrants know that. Watch any US spanish channel for a few hours some day and count how many commercials have to do with english speaking programs. Programs such as: follow me to america, ingles sin barreras, and many others would not be as big of a seller as they are if immigrants did not want to learn English. You are assumming because it is hard for them to learn English or they just got here that they are refusing when they are not. They struggle to learn the language as would any adult who relocates to another country and tries to learn the language.
We all have a specific set of phonemes that we learned as children, and not all languages share the same phonemes. It is harder for people to learn another language after a certain age, because phonemes are best picked up when you are a young child. Examples: many people who grew up speaking english and try to learn spanish have lots of difficulty rolling their R's, Native Japanese speakers who later learn english will have a lot of trouble differentiating between R's and L's. They would say things like "I Rove to speak EngRish."
Originally posted by Who the F are You?:
does your family tree not have any branches on it?
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Originally posted by MaddMike:
Originally posted by RandyCSVT:
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we definately need to start cracking down on this type of BS; I for one am getting really tired of having my eyes assulted by all the gibberish displayed everywhere, and this is in MI. I can't imagine how ridiculous the situation is there.
Don't worry your kind will defenitely be weeded out eventually. That gibberish is called Spanish. Unless you are a Native American your ancestors also came here speaking "gibberish." "usted ha sido poseÃ?Âdo" that says you got owned. I figured I should translate since you dont speak "gibberish."
When my ancestors (Scotts,Irish,English) came over here they spoke english thank you very much, but the ones that did not that came fron Germany, France,etc. learned english or they did not work. It was as simple as that. If I went to Mexico and refused to learn the language I would not get a job. I work at a company that hires alot of hispanics, they have had to spend extra money on interpreters, dual lang. signs and other stuff because they all refuse to learn english or at least claim they do not understand. If your going to live here learn the language and customs so that you can fit in better. For foriegn people to come here and expect us to change our ways for them is BS!!!!!!!!!!!! 
You don't have to worry about your company either. They may spend extra money on translators and other stuff like that, but they are saving lots of money by paying the immigrant workers less. Crappy American pay is way better than whatever they can get in Mexico or wherever they are from. Your employer knows they will work for minimum wage or less if paid under the table, and takes full advantage of that. Why would your boss hire a frustrated American who knows his wage sucks when he can hire a new immigrant who is overjoyed to be making minimum wage. These immigrant workers bust their asses doing work that most Americans wouldn't want to do and for pay that most Americans wouldn't put up with.
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Originally posted by RandyCSVT:
have you heard any of these immigrants saying, "I refuse to learn English." Nobody says that.
Have you ever worked with a cleaning crew in a high rise building? THEY REFUSE TO LEARN ENGLISH!!! Trust me...
"Yo, Audelia, would you do this?"
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In reply to RandyCSVT, Whether they are American or Hispanic they all start here at $7.50 an hour. It's a Union meat plant. This is not bad money for this area of Ohio. There is plenty of places around here for Hispanics to learn English, if you will notice that in my earlier post I stated that they claim to not understand, implying that they use this to get out of doing work. What you do not seam to grasp is the fact that our forefathers built this country with thier sweat, thier blood, thier tears, because they wanted a better life for themselves and thier families. They did not come here expecting America to put up signs in German, French, Spanish etc. They came here and became part of America. They did not let phonemes or anything else stop them, They payed thier taxes, got drivers licences and learned the lanuage so that they would fit in. 
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People think that learning to speak another language, especially adults learning, is easy while its not. Learning a new language takes time, money and more time and money. People that come new to this country usually dont have much of either, if at all so they must focus on work and not learn so they may feed their kids and pay the rent. Especially if their work is cleaning a high-rise building with non stop work.
Also, i doubt any foreigner that comes here is expecting for Americans to change their ways, only to aid and add to these ways, as in having forms in english and spanish and german and gibberish, we arent telling anyone to stop speaking english or the such.
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Originally posted by MaddMike:
In reply to RandyCSVT, Whether they are American or Hispanic they all start here at $7.50 an hour. It's a Union meat plant. This is not bad money for this area of Ohio. There is plenty of places around here for Hispanics to learn English, if you will notice that in my earlier post I stated that they claim to not understand, implying that they use this to get out of doing work. What you do not seam to grasp is the fact that our forefathers built this country with thier sweat, thier blood, thier tears, because they wanted a better life for themselves and thier families. They did not come here expecting America to put up signs in German, French, Spanish etc. They came here and became part of America. They did not let phonemes or anything else stop them, They payed thier taxes, got drivers licences and learned the lanuage so that they would fit in.
Show me one hispanic that lies about language or anything else to get out of work and ill show you one more american, or korean, or german that does the same thing, its a universal thing that really doesnt apply here. Immigrants dont want signs per se, but if you want to compare to the old days of your forefathers, what kind of signs were there? Ye olde bank, tavern, store, etc, you didnt have to be a scientist to figure out what they meant just by looking at them.
There are many places that teach english like high schools, community colleges and centers, but to go to those places some time investment is needed, most cant furnish it.
Also, who says that immigrants now-a-days dont go through the same thing your "forefathers" went through? Immigrants arent letting the language barrier stop them, or phonemes or anything b/c they work, just like mentioned before in the high rise building, meat packing plants, etc. Whose to say that immigrants dont pay taxes, dont try to get licenses (which the government is making harder to do) or try to learn the unofficial language?
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I hate the argument that immigrants are a burden on this country. Immigrant workers are doing the jobs that white america is too proud to do. They are working unbelievable hard for not so great wages. They are even a benefit when they are illegal. An illegal has to use a social security number that isnt their's. They pay social security and other taxes that they get no benefits from. The only people that I see as a drain are those that [censored] and whine about it. The people that [censored] about it most are those that believe that these immigrants are stealing their jobs. Wake up! immigrants work [censored] jobs. You were born in this country and were provided with the chance to do better. If you are stuck washing windows, packing meat, or cleaning up stuff most of us dont want to touch.....get another job. it is not their fault that you are both stuck in a [censored] job and they are willing to work harder for less money. Welcome to America!
There is more to this argument than you think. You cant learn English overnight. Becoming a US citizen takes longer than you think. How much free time do you think they have to adjust to the American culture and language if they are working 60+ hour work weeks in some [censored] factory. Most of the immigrant families that I know are made up of tax paying hard working people wher both parents balance full time jobs and raising children.
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Originally posted by eyevancsu:
Originally posted by MaddMike:
In reply to RandyCSVT, Whether they are American or Hispanic they all start here at $7.50 an hour. It's a Union meat plant. This is not bad money for this area of Ohio. There is plenty of places around here for Hispanics to learn English, if you will notice that in my earlier post I stated that they claim to not understand, implying that they use this to get out of doing work. What you do not seam to grasp is the fact that our forefathers built this country with thier sweat, thier blood, thier tears, because they wanted a better life for themselves and thier families. They did not come here expecting America to put up signs in German, French, Spanish etc. They came here and became part of America. They did not let phonemes or anything else stop them, They payed thier taxes, got drivers licences and learned the lanuage so that they would fit in.
Show me one hispanic that lies about language or anything else to get out of work and ill show you one more american, or korean, or german that does the same thing, its a universal thing that really doesnt apply here. Immigrants dont want signs per se, but if you want to compare to the old days of your forefathers, what kind of signs were there? Ye olde bank, tavern, store, etc, you didnt have to be a scientist to figure out what they meant just by looking at them.
There are many places that teach english like high schools, community colleges and centers, but to go to those places some time investment is needed, most cant furnish it.
Also, who says that immigrants now-a-days dont go through the same thing your "forefathers" went through? Immigrants arent letting the language barrier stop them, or phonemes or anything b/c they work, just like mentioned before in the high rise building, meat packing plants, etc. Whose to say that immigrants dont pay taxes, dont try to get licenses (which the government is making harder to do) or try to learn the unofficial language?
-Ivan C.
We have hispanics in the plant that are not married and claim 6 dependents and don't file taxes, they work for a year or two and then head south. There is a language school in Tallemege Oh. that only charges $150 for a 6 week course. I think they can afford that. They, like me can do anything they want to do if they want it bad enough. Our government makes it to easy for them to take advantage of the system, if they are caught they get a free trip home and can come back in 6 months. I know of one guy here that has been hired by the company three times under three different names. Could I go to another country and do that, I highly dout it. I'm not against LEGAL IMIGRATION, but something needs to be done about illegals besides opening our arms and saying come on in and recieve all the perks of America with out earning them. 
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Originally posted by RandyCSVT:
I hate the argument that immigrants are a burden on this country. Immigrant workers are doing the jobs that white america is too proud to do. They are working unbelievable hard for not so great wages. They are even a benefit when they are illegal. An illegal has to use a social security number that isnt their's. They pay social security and other taxes that they get no benefits from.
White america? I have chinese, italian, hispanic, and black friends that wouldn't do those jobs either.
Umm, NO. If they are ILLEGAL, they are not paying taxes, social security, etc. They do get many benefits from tax payers though. You better believe they can use our hospitals, their kids born here will get an education, etc.
I don't gripe about immigrants, but there is more to it then you know.
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