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WTF are you talking about. My car put down 300whp which for your info is THE record for a stock 2.5L. It ran fine on the dyno except for having a too large gap, which Terry and I regapped in under 10mins. I'd like to see you do it as quick. I know how to diagnose issues, and for the record my CEL is for my ong term trim being out of whack, which is something ADC and I are working on. So seeing as you weren't there and are speculating - please STFU. You've got a serious hang-up with engineers-I suggest you go back to school and get a degree so you can move up and better yourself if you "know better". For your info I know how to turn wrenches and run a lathe and mill. In fact I worked for 6 months as a pipe-fitter when I first graduated from university - tearing down and rebuilding pumps, conveyors, vibra-screens, kilns burners - you name it. I have my gas-fitters ticket, my EWP ticket....the list goes one. Don't assume I'm a snot nosed engineer who doesn't know a vernier caliper from a screwdriver. from my experience some "journeymen" shop gyus can even read a frikkin metric print or even convert from imperial to metric. You're the one that needs to chill. This section of the forum is something I'm pretty sure I know how to comment in. You don't see me give advice in the audio forum - because that aint my forte. Geez dude, I didn't think it would have to come down to a muscle-flexin competition, but you took it there. 
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Originally posted by 96mercury:
Um yeah what thinkmoto said. BTW its still working fine no stumbling no lean conditions. Better gas milage then I got as a suckthrough setup and I checked and the sensor is still clean. It is running reliably everyday and no excuses about cels from me, well minus the rich bank 1. The best engineers can look outside the box and do something a different way using parts that weren't designed for the purpose and come out with a better end result. Just something my engineering advisor told me once.
For you and Thinkmoto:
You know what, the implication of this statement is that he isn't one of the "best engineers", and you CAN'T KNOW that from your position.
Second, Just because an engineer recommends doing something the correct way or the RIGHT way by what is accepted doesn't mean he/she Isn't/Doesn't think out of the box!
If Stazi gives you advice with an attitude you don't like, level your criticizm towards his attitude to you, NOT to him being an engineer.
Do you think I can think out of the box, or fail to? Do I have a bad attitude to you as well? I'm an engineer too. I'm a Materials Science Engineer and more into metallurgy and semiconductors, but I have the training and I'm well in to my masters degree as well. Therefore I don't really think your stereotypes fit.
However, to each his own. If this is how you feel about engineers then so be it.
Also, I too do not recommend using a blow through MAF for reasons already stated. You have good luck with it, then no problems.
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WOW seams like people get really up in arms about what a bunch of strangers say on the internet. Anyway I'm not trying to piss anyone off just wish people would chill a bit even when people don't follow their advice. So I will be the grownup here and say "sorry" if I pissed anyone off. Does anyone want to join me and be a grownup as well?
ATX MTX swap, rear drum disc swap, drilled rotors, ported intake, optim throttle body, CAI, 7.5L MAF, adj. fuel regulator, longtube headers, underdrive pulley, no EGR, low inpedence bigger injectors, 2002 Focus Swap
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Originally posted by 96mercury:
WOW seams like people get really up in arms about what a bunch of strangers say on the internet. Anyway I'm not trying to piss anyone off just wish people would chill a bit even when people don't follow their advice. So I will be the grownup here and say "sorry" if I pissed anyone off. Does anyone want to join me and be a grownup as well?
No. The grownup way is to appologize and drop it. The "almost" grownup way is to make a big issue of acting grown up and then say sorry.
The two are not to be mistaken for one another.
The other grown up aspect is to stand up for what you believe. You can do that without trashing on a whole group of people.
Finally, it is not OK to get counter-offended once you've offended someone else.  (just a little levity here)
We all agree to disagree and grow thicker skins and move on.
BTW, I'm not really upset. I just felt that was out of line to generalize so much.
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356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
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96merc, just think of how much bitching they will do when our numbers start rivaling their Turbo3L numbers. 
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Buttonpuncher, exactly
ATX MTX swap, rear drum disc swap, drilled rotors, ported intake, optim throttle body, CAI, 7.5L MAF, adj. fuel regulator, longtube headers, underdrive pulley, no EGR, low inpedence bigger injectors, 2002 Focus Swap
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Originally posted by ButtonPuncher:
96merc, just think of how much bitching they will do when our numbers start rivaling their Turbo3L numbers.
I welcome the day, but neither of you will get there with no tuning and franken-MAF's.
96merc, why not run more boost on your setup if it's as good as you're blindly GUESSING it is?  That's right, because you're on an OEM NA Zetec tune with a franken-MAF and it WILL blow up. If you don't know why, you will learn the hard way.
I'll quote what I said on the last page, just for you. Originally posted by Swazo:
No one said that blow through setups can not be done, there are good ones out there. Do you know why? Tuning and correct components, both of which you ignore to use. That's the main point I would like to get across. Address those two issues, and you should be fine. The MAF is the most critical sensor to get tuned right, once you have it done everything else will fall into place much easier.
I would bet you're getting the same advice more or less, but are taking it the wrong way. Did the other "experts" tell you to not tune anything and make a frankenstien MAF? That's what everyone is pretty much telling you NOT to do here.
BTW, Exdelayed beat you to being the first to have an MTX swap done IIRC.
No one here wants to see you cook your zetec. I'd like to see what TurboTom would say about the Franken-MAF and lack of tuning.
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Originally posted by 96mercury:
Buttonpuncher, exactly
I really hope you do get some max power out of that. I was fair enough to point out that if something worked then go with it. I suppose you forgot that from earlier right?
No worries man. If you enjoy the car then that's the important part.
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Why do the Zetec guys always gotta do stuff half a$$!  
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
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LOL! I don't know about 96mercury, but I'm still saving up for the SCT PRP. It will be done right. If I'm going to stick $2k into my motor, I won't be cutting any corners.
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