Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
This was a decent "gotcha"


Agreed. No worse than a lot of other attempts to change history by politicians on both sides of the spectrum. But I was interested to see the vehement denials that Frist's statement was a lie.



Yes. This thread was interesting not so much because a Republican leader was caught in lie (ho hum), but because it showed just how far the CEG Bush-Slaves will go to deny the truth.

Davo, for example, will deny even the most obvious facts. He will deny that Frist lied despite very clear evidence to the contrary, and despite having no real evidence to support his contention ("It may be thin, but it's thick enough for me," Davo says proudly). He has done the same in previous threads about Bush, DeLay, and others.

Here is the big-picture lesson that I am learning from threads like this one: in order to buy into the Bush/Cheney/Frist/DeLay/Santorum agenda, you have to be willing to ignore overwhelming evidence. You must be willing to believe in things without the kind of objective evidence that a reasonable person would require. It requires a kind of self-induced suspension of normal reasoning.

As far as our little group discussions on CEG are concerned, here are two more lessons:

1) Credibility depends on being willing to concede points for which you have no sensible counterargument.

2) It may be fun for awhile to debate with someone who refuses to acknowledge the utter lack of factual foundation for their opinions (it's like meeting someone who believes the earth is flat), but after a while it's just sad.