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Originally posted by Davo:
Same as in the Frist case.
Which is what, that the lie wasn't a lie?
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I'm not sure why you're always so quick to deny the fact that you're a leftist.
Because a few of CEG's neocons consistently label anyone who doesn't lockstep with the neocon party line as leftist.
I'd be happy to go down the list of positions that identify one's place in the political spectrum via PM if you wish.
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
This was a decent "gotcha"
Agreed. No worse than a lot of other attempts to change history by politicians on both sides of the spectrum. But I was interested to see the vehement denials that Frist's statement was a lie.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Because a few of CEG's neocons consistently label anyone who doesn't lockstep with the neocon party line as leftist.
I didn't know there was a neocon party. You'll have to refer me to them so I can check them out. And you get labeled as a leftist because of your leftist beliefs and statements, not because you are a nonneocon.
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Originally posted by Davo:
your leftist beliefs and statements
I'll be waiting for either proof or a retraction 
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Originally posted by Viss1:
I'll be waiting for either proof or a retraction
I'll post proof only after you retract your statement in here (emphasized in italics):
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Viss1:
FWIW I posted the thread because there's a need for some balance... anytime any Democrat has a shoelace loose, this message board is lit aflame. But Republican missteps are never brought up.
Either you really don't mean that or you're completely oblivious to recent events (in other words, you're either a big fat liar like Senator Frist and George W. Bush or you don't read the newspapers or surf the internet  ). I didn't hear one whisper of Senator Dick Durbin's (D-IL) comments comparing U.S. soldiers to Nazis (which he tearfully """""""apologized"""""" for) OR Howard Dean's racist comments regarding the Republican party. The absence of those stories alone kind of debunks the myth of the CEG Super Right-Wing Attack Machine, doesn't it? The 'CEG is so conservative they're always pounding on the Democrats' implication is quite the laugh.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Viss1:
I'll be waiting for either proof or a retraction
I'll post proof only after you retract your statement in here (emphasized in italics):
Umm...Viss1 is no lefty. This whole thread was a devil's-advocate thing...if we're not willing to point out our own side's hypocrasy, why should we expect the Dems to do the same?
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Originally posted by Davo:
I'll post proof only after you retract your statement in here
It's not a zero sum game. You're making a specific judgement about my policial affiliation. Address that issue and then maybe I'll listen to your requests.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
It's not a zero sum game. You're making a specific judgement about my policial affiliation. Address that issue and then maybe I'll listen to your requests.
You made a statement about CEG that was immediately shown to be false. If I'm going to spend time showing you lean left, you're going to at least have to admit you were wrong in saying every Dem misstep is discussed on CEG.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
This was a decent "gotcha"
Agreed. No worse than a lot of other attempts to change history by politicians on both sides of the spectrum. But I was interested to see the vehement denials that Frist's statement was a lie.
Yes. This thread was interesting not so much because a Republican leader was caught in lie (ho hum), but because it showed just how far the CEG Bush-Slaves will go to deny the truth.
Davo, for example, will deny even the most obvious facts. He will deny that Frist lied despite very clear evidence to the contrary, and despite having no real evidence to support his contention ("It may be thin, but it's thick enough for me," Davo says proudly). He has done the same in previous threads about Bush, DeLay, and others.
Here is the big-picture lesson that I am learning from threads like this one: in order to buy into the Bush/Cheney/Frist/DeLay/Santorum agenda, you have to be willing to ignore overwhelming evidence. You must be willing to believe in things without the kind of objective evidence that a reasonable person would require. It requires a kind of self-induced suspension of normal reasoning.
As far as our little group discussions on CEG are concerned, here are two more lessons:
1) Credibility depends on being willing to concede points for which you have no sensible counterargument.
2) It may be fun for awhile to debate with someone who refuses to acknowledge the utter lack of factual foundation for their opinions (it's like meeting someone who believes the earth is flat), but after a while it's just sad.
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