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I don't think that anyone is calling this "The Great Lie" but the fact of the matter is this guy does have designs on the White House and the fact that he now tries to distance himself from his Schivo faux pas speaks of his integrity(or lack there of). Knowing your distaste for deception in politics I would think you'd be outraged...oh that's right he's a Republican!  Check out my new sig!
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Knowing your distaste for deception in politics I would think you'd be outraged...oh that's right he's a Republican!
I'm still not sure what deception has taken place. I will be very disappointed if this is your attempt at another Watergate.
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Taking my statements out of context: weak! Great idea, too, Rusty. Where did you get it?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Knowing your distaste for deception in politics I would think you'd be outraged...oh that's right he's a Republican!
I'm still not sure what deception has taken place. I will be very disappointed if this is your attempt at another Watergate.
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Taking my statements out of context: weak! Great idea, too, Rusty. Where did you get it?
Here's your whole statement.
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'Based on footage...she responded' and 'seems to respond' seem like quite the step to 'she responds'. I could understand if Frist didn't believe he ever said 'she responded'. I guess it all depends on what the definition of 'is' is.
Now maybe your brain knew what it was trying to say but the translation got lost on it's way to the keyboard! Quoting the whole statement just makes it more confusing! I don't care what the discussion topic is that statement is twisted and funny! There's probably two good quotes in there!
Lighten up and learn to laugh! You'll live longer.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Frist would be an idiot to try to convince people that he said or didn't say something that is he is officially on record as saying. Because of that, I believe he wasn't really denying saying something;
That's pretty thin evidence for saying you "believe" something, isn't it? It gives the term "faith-based politics" a new meaning.
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rather, I think he got some of his past words mixed up.
Frist stood up in front of the world's media and made a statement about Schiavo. It was a statement that was almost certainly planned in advance and vetted by his staff. Then, in the interview with Lauer, Frist flat-out denied he said it. Now you are telling us it's not a lie because he "got his past words mixed up"? You are telling us Frist made a highly controversial public statement about this very high profile matter, got all kinds of publicity for saying it, and then somehow forgot it just a short time later? Isn't it about fifty times more likely that he was trying to whitewash his foolish and erroneous statement about Schiavo, and Lauer caught him out?
Jesus Christ, Davo, isn't it embarrassing to pledge allegiance to the least logical explanation of events, just because of your political bias?
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I also think there's a little bit of stretching going on here. 'Based on footage...she responded' and 'seems to respond' seem like quite the step to 'she responds'.
Huh? Davo, if you are going to base your argument on a distinction so microscopic that only you can see it, it helps if you explain to us why you made the distinction. Otherwise, everyone just assumes you are making false distinctions.
You Republicans really need to learn to pick your battles. It seems odd to waste your dwindling supply of credibility defending Frist. I was equally suprised awhile back to see the CEG Brownshirts defending Senator DeLay. Davo and other Republicans shout "Seig Heil" for Tom DeLay.
If the Republicans find themselves in political trouble in the near future, it will be because they failed to jettison the real extremist nutjobs from party leadership positions. Extremists like Frist, DeLay and Santorum are political liabilities to the Republican party. They turn off almost every normal, moderate voter in America.
Originally posted by Davo:
Ever since Clinton was caught lying, the left has been trying to catch Republicans in lies (see Bush 'lying' about intelligence),
It is just absurd for you to imply that Bush's opponents must be incorrect simply because they are motivated by their political differences with Bush. Yes, Democrats are busy documenting and publicizing the lies of the Bushmen. That's a fact. But that fact does not logically support your argument that Frist did not lie in this instance.
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OMG!!! POLITICIANS STRETCH THE TRUTH?!? SAY THINGS JUST TO PROVE A POINT OR GAIN POPULARITY?!? SINCE WHEN?!? OMG OMG OMG (Translation... politicians have been "spinning" since the dawn of politics... get over it)
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Originally posted by caltour:
That's pretty thin evidence for saying you "believe" something, isn't it? It gives the term "faith-based politics" a new meaning.
May be thin, but it's thick enough for me.
Originally posted by caltour:
Isn't it about fifty times more likely that he was trying to whitewash his foolish and erroneous statement about Schiavo, and Lauer caught him out?
Again, he would be stupid to try to make the public believe he didn't say something when he actually did say something. You're making it sound as if the Republicans have been hiding out at Bletchley Park for the last several months trying to figure out how to make the world forget what Senator Bill Frist said.
Originally posted by caltour:
Jesus Christ, Davo, isn't it embarrassing to pledge allegiance to the least logical explanation of events, just because of your political bias?
Jesus Christ, caltour, isn't it embarrassing failing yet again to create a situation where the actions of a Republican will be perceived by the American people as lying??
Originally posted by caltour:
Huh? Davo, if you are going to base your argument on a distinction so microscopic that only you can see it, it helps if you explain to us why you made the distinction. Otherwise, everyone just assumes you are making false distinctions.
I got the idea from watching the Clinton deposition. Let me guess, you still think he didn't do anything illegal?
Originally posted by caltour:
You Republicans really need to learn to pick your battles. It seems odd to waste your dwindling supply of credibility defending Frist. I was equally suprised awhile back to see the CEG Brownshirts defending Senator DeLay. Davo and other Republicans shout "Seig Heil" for Tom DeLay.
If our credibility was running so low, I wouldn't expect the leftists like yourself and Viss1 to come out with this kind of crap thinking you really have us in a corner now.
FYI DeLay is a Representative, not a Senator.
Originally posted by caltour:
If the Republicans find themselves in political trouble in the near future, it will be because they failed to jettison the real extremist nutjobs from party leadership positions.
LMAO  This coming from a guy whose idols are Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Dick Durbin, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
Originally posted by caltour:
Extremists like Frist, DeLay and Santorum are political liabilities to the Republican party. They turn off almost every normal, moderate voter in America.
So are you trying to say there are at least 62,040,606 hardcore right-wingers in this country? The fact that you said the above proves you know nothing about politics.
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Wow, if this is the best argument the liberals can come up with then I think we are doing pretty darn good!
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Originally posted by Davo:
May be thin, but it's thick enough for me.
A new classic. "I admit I have no case, but I'm going to try to make one anyway."
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Again, he would be stupid to try to make the public believe he didn't say something when he actually did say something.
What is your opinion of the Bush example I used earlier where he did just that? A precedent was established there.
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I've said before, just because I don't cream my pants at the thought of the Republican party line doesn't mean I'm a leftist. In fact I voted against your antichrist Clinton both times.
FWIW I posted the thread because there's a need for some balance... anytime any Democrat has a shoelace loose, this message board is lit aflame. But Republican missteps are never brought up.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
A new classic. "I admit I have no case, but I'm going to try to make one anyway."
No. What I mean by that is that I am willing to give Frist the benefit of the doubt. Notice how I didn't say 'I have no reason to believe Frist, but I'll believe him anyways'.
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What is your opinion of the Bush example I used earlier where he did just that? A precedent was established there.
Same as in the Frist case.
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I've said before, just because I don't cream my pants at the thought of the Republican party line doesn't mean I'm a leftist. In fact I voted against your antichrist Clinton both times.
I'm not sure why you're always so quick to deny the fact that you're a leftist. Maybe if your posts indicated otherwise your leanings wouldn't be so obvious and I wouldn't have to point them out, which means you wouldn't have to deny them so often.
Originally posted by Viss1:
FWIW I posted the thread because there's a need for some balance... anytime any Democrat has a shoelace loose, this message board is lit aflame. But Republican missteps are never brought up.
Either you really don't mean that or you're completely oblivious to recent events (in other words, you're either a big fat liar like Senator Frist and George W. Bush or you don't read the newspapers or surf the internet ). I didn't hear one whisper of Senator Dick Durbin's (D-IL) comments comparing U.S. soldiers to Nazis (which he tearfully """""""apologized"""""" for) OR Howard Dean's racist comments regarding the Republican party. The absence of those stories alone kind of debunks the myth of the CEG Super Right-Wing Attack Machine, doesn't it? The 'CEG is so conservative they're always pounding on the Democrats' implication is quite the laugh.
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Frist wasn't under oath and he wasn't trying to cover up any illegal activities, first of all, so his backtracking doesn't begin to meet the Clinton/Nixon standard. We can just put that to rest right now. And being caught trying to deny saying something that was caught on film on the Senate floor is a time-honored tradition on both sides of the aisle. If anything, Frist's assessment was NEVER considered all that reliable, seeing as how it was just based on a video observation. This was a decent "gotcha" but it's not really that big of a deal.
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