Originally posted by chrisilversvt: all i know is that demon among MANY others have had years of experience with the duratec motor.....and when demon speaks on the subject i have yet to see ANYONE prove him wrong on just about anything he says about the duratec,hell he runs a 13.4 with no power adder with a motor he built himself, enough said...there is a reason that everyone on here comes to him for advice,and a reason people religiously follow his advice...he knows what he's talking about...
by being relatively new here you are only going to drive away future customers,by trying to be a know it all,and try and argue with the most knoweledgeable member of these boards,maybe open your mind and listen to what he has to say,he knows his stuff.....
i personally don't even own a tour any more,but i would NOT purchase anything from you based on the simple fact that i am sick of countless threads where a few are all over your nutz about how great you are,when there has been NO data or dyno plots to prove any of this talk,no a/f charts nothing....and then the slamming of adc which has also been tuning these cars for a long time and they also know there stuff....most of the slamming is also coming from someone that knows NOTHING about tuning a car,has never tuned a car themselves before,and is judgind by a sotp supposed gain they are feeling....
some people on here act as if this "tune" is soooooooo great and that it adds like 100 hp or something,i highly doubt you would even gain 10 hp with this tune,so why not post some before and after dyno plots,and prove just how great it is,because word of mouth means nothing...
C'mon dude. Now you are sounding the same as what you claim you don't like. Everybody makes mistakes, Greg, Me, Bnoon, Buckshot, etc. That is why we know the right answers now and pass them on to others. Besides, you forget yourself when you leave out all these other people on here who actually got to the dyno and got hard earned fuggin proof about what does and doesn't work. It is our semi professional disagreements that helped to document so much. There are really only a few people who actually paved the way with 2.5L mods, tuning, 3L conversions, hybrids, tubos and more.
This kind of talk is just as bad.
not to argue with you or anything,but wtf are you talking about???????your post doesn't make alot of sense...i was just trying to explain to those guys that they are going to lose potential business if they come on here and talk a bunch of bull,which has been going on...i'm not going to dig back thru the posts but someone did in fact say demon and others were wrong and this guy was god or something...
i was merely trying to make a point that its not good business to slam someone(which has been done in other threads)because they are selling the same product...all of which was not being done by the actual guy selling the product...others are spouting off on his behalf and making him look bad....just trying to let him know that the skeptics want to see hard proof,i have nothing against the guy at all,but there are several threads that basically turn into fights,over nothing...that was all i was trying to say in my post...
Look man, I'm not angry and I have no problems with you, so just take this observation for what its worth.
To clarify: You were basically letting Wayne or Ryan know that you felt it was not helping business for Ryan to vehemently say Wayne was the best tuner, especially without a dyno. Then you went right around and did the same thing by saying essentially the same things about DemonSVT... who last time I checked didn't have a dyno on his engine/tuning either(although he has a track time). Not flaming anyone or saying that they SHOULD have a dyno, but you can't use a double standard on that hard proof requirement. Therefore, you yourself obviously don't like it when someone else is gushing praise about another person/product but then you did it yourself.
Then you did another by implying that no one has yet proved him wrong. So you obviously don't know about real past history on this board. It was through many hottly contested topics, arguments, etc., many that couldn't be proven either. Demon is smart enough to take the good and leave the bad like most of us. Do you know of TH? Terry Haines used to be on this board and people felt the same way about him, and still do. He wasn't perfect either.
Whatever, if you can't see what the post meant then I hope this clears it up for you. Essentially, I only meant to point out that you put out enough Idol Worship in your statements to turn off other people, same as you felt Ryan was doing for Wayne.
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