Originally posted by svt4stv:
e1, im glad i didnt serve in "your" corp as well. that's why i didnt go in i dont need to be anybody's robot. i can think for myself and dont need someone else telling me what i can and cant do. which is basically what you get in the service. am i wrong? are you not to follow exactly what somebody else tells you to do?



Yes you are wrong.

I went in with a college degree, instant OCS Candidate. I was guide in bootcamp (leader of the platoon), and after OCS was given a unit to command. Of course, some people can't handle structure in their lives, and cannot realize that the military is simply an over-simplified look at the real world. If you seriously think you can go through the rest of your life without listening to anyone, you are mistaken, and will fail.

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some people can be soldiers and others cannot. im a leader, not a follower. you have to be a follower or things just wont work. im glad you have your semper fi pride and what not. that's great. good for you and yours. im sure it works very well for you.



I, too, am a leader, I always have been. The difference is I saw the military as a way to get ahead in life, where-as you saw it as something holding you back. I agree, not everyone can be a Marine -- that's why the slogan is, "The FEW, the PROUD, the MARINES."

I find it funny that the majority of the great leaders in our history were Marines, if not other servicemembers, and yet you think only followers join. A leader has to know how to follow orders, as well, to be able to lead effectively.

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while youre bashing me, why dont you bash the other 98% of the people who are on this board for not joining either



I don't bash people for not joining, however I do bash people who have a very narrow, and incorrect view of the Corps, or those who signed up, only to cry their way out of bootcamp.

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That sounds an awful lot to me like a classic excuse â?? now rather universally rejected â?? for rape.



You cannot seriously be comparing rape vs pressure to join the military, can you?

Let's see, you said you were pressured, yet in your first post you did exactly what I said -- you told the recruiter that you were planning on a military career later on in life -- that gave him hope. As I said before, recruiters simply do not waste time badgering people who they have no hope of enlisting -- like you seem to believe. And throwing in that a recruiter was going to leave your friend behind is simply stupid. If that did happen, all that kid had to do was make a phone call to the recruiters superior officer -- or even make the threat -- and that would have been the end of that. It's that whole leaders and followers thing that svt4stv was complaining about...

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It took a credible threat of criminal prosecution to get him to finally leave me alone.



I've met hundreds of recruiters in my life, and dealt with over 100,000 recruits at MCRD and MEPS -- I've never heard one person say they were pressured into joining. Even the [censored] who were getting out because they couldn't hack it.

Its funny, people seem to think that recruiters are not subject to the UCMJ, especially Article 132, Frauds against the United States. (That's the article that prevents Marines from lying to possible recruits.)

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