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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
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I was constantly being called by a staff sarge back in 98 when I graduated from HS - he REALLY wanted me to join - I finally told him to bugger off I was going to serve an LDS mission and I wasnt interested.




I got the calls to stop by telling them I was gay.




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Well somebody owes somebody sumpthin'


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Sorry, I would have dealt with them trying to sneak me away quite differently

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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
They are probably desperate for recruits. The images and news reports of the war in Iraq don't look very good. The pictures of the burning vehicles in the desert make it look like h*ll.

I donated blood at the Red Cross and they called over and over asking me to donate blood. I was planning on donating twice a year but I decided not to. I don't like telemarketers. People really beleive in telemarketing. I guess that kind of marketing must work.





the kid probably shoed some interest, or talked to a recruiter at some point in the past. Not once have i ever gotten a call from a recruiter out of the blue.


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Also, I'm sure some random buttpirate recruiter knows what my deceased father wants me to do in life.

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That is simply insulting to me. Grow up and realize these recruiters have helped keep us free before you were here, and will continue to do so after you're gone.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the story. That kid must have been a idiot -- there is NO way a recruiter is going to MAKE you leave your JOB, and drive you off to MEPS in the middle of the night. It takes a 3 day advance appointment to show up to MEPS, you can't just walk in with a kid off the street and get him his physical/etc.

I do understand that recruiters do pressure people, but the kid obviously said or did something that made them think that he wanted to join. I did recruiting duty for ~6 months (the quotas are tough, even during non-wartime) -- and you don't waste time on someone who's not going to join, there are too many other kids you can talk into it.

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I got a call from a marine recruiter awhile back.

He was real nice, asked me what I was doing with my life. Told him I was going to school at eastern michigan studying international business, He reminded me that the army could pay for all my tuition.

I told em "ya, because tuition at eastern is sooo expensive"

he finally flat out asked me if i wanted to join and serve in the up comming iminent war in iraq.

I said thanks, but no thanks... I enjoy living as a civilian.

After that no one else bothered me.

Perhaps this kid just pissed the recruiters off, I know if recruiting was my job and somone pissed me off... I would most deff keep bothering the kid


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Here was an article in the Globe today about this same thing.

http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2005/06/17/military_recruiters_draw_fire_at_schools/?page=1


Groups unite against military recruiters
By Maryclaire Dale, Associated Press Writer | June 17, 2005

PHILADELPHIA --Nancy Carroll didn't know schools were giving military recruiters her family's contact information until a recruiter called her 17-year-old granddaughter.

That didn't sit well with Carroll, who believes recruiters unfairly target minority students. So she joined activists across the country who are urging families to notify schools that they don't want their children's contact information given out.

"People of color who go into the military are put on the front line," said the 67-year-old Carroll, who is black.

A provision of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act requires school districts to provide military recruiters with student phone numbers and addresses or risk losing millions in federal education funding. Parents or students 18 and over can "opt out" by submitting a written request to keep the information private.

But critics say schools do not always convey that message. In New Mexico, the American Civil Liberties Union chapter sued the Albuquerque Public School District last month, charging it does not adequately inform parents of the opt-out provision.

Some critics oppose the federal law on privacy grounds, but others say it provides an unfair opportunity for the military to sway young minds -- especially in economically depressed communities.

"They're not going to all the schools. They're going to the schools where they figure the kids will have less chance to go to college," said Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash. "It's an insidious kind of draft, quite frankly."

Carroll, who is raising three grandchildren in a working-class neighborhood of Philadelphia, agrees that the practice is unfair. "I wouldn't want them to join," she said of her grandchildren.

But Pentagon officials say the military deserves the same access to students that schools give to colleges and employers.

"In the past, it was all-too-common for a school district to make student directory information readily available to vendors, prospective employers and post-secondary institutions while intentionally excluding the services," Air Force Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said in an e-mail.

"Having access to 17- to 24-year-olds is very key to us," said Maj. Gen. Michael Rochelle, commander of the Army Recruiting Command, said at a news conference Friday at Fort Meade, Md. "We would hope that every high school administrator would provide those lists to us. They're terribly important for what we're trying to do."

Asked about aggressive recruiters targeting young people, he said:

"I would certainly hope that we are harassing no one. A recruiter today has to contact roughly 100 people before they can generally get one of them to sit down and listen to the Army story. ... I'm not asking my recruiters to be any less aggressive. I would not wish for them to be overbearing or annoying."

As military conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan drag on, the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are having trouble attracting recruits to their reserve forces, though only the Army is falling short in attracting people for its active-duty ranks.

Andrew Rinaldi, a senior at Edison High School in Edison, N.J., filed an opt-out letter but said he was contacted by a recruiter anyway. He said the recruiter mocked his pacifist views. "They're becoming more aggressive," he said.

None of the nation's approximately 22,600 high schools has failed to comply with the military provision of No Child Left Behind, and just one is "finalizing its compliance," Krenke said. None has lost funding.

Before No Child Left Behind was signed into law in 2002, about 12 percent of the nation's schools refused to turn over student records to military recruiters, Pentagon officials said. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., who sponsored the recruitment provision, called the actions of those schools "offensive."

Now, activists are holding rallies and awareness campaigns to make sure students know they can opt out.

In Montclair, N.J., more than 80 percent of Montclair High School students have opted out since a student-led effort began last year.

"It's a place where military recruiters are not likely to have a ton of success, anyway, partly because ... a lot of parents can assist their kids with going to college," school district spokeswoman Laura Federico said.

In the urban blight of North Philadelphia, Joshua Gordy said the lure of college money led him to join the Army reserves at age 17. He said recruiters at his high school told him he could earn $35,000 for college.

That hasn't happened. Gordy, a 20-year-old reservist, said he apparently failed to send in the right paperwork in time. He hopes to enroll in community college this fall.

Rep. McDermott faults the military for enticing students with talk of patriotism, adventure and college funds, instead of giving them a realistic view of combat.

McDermott is among those in Congress trying to change the law so that students instead "opt-in" for recruitment.

"There's nothing dishonorable with serving in the military," said McDermott, a psychiatrist who served stateside during Vietnam. "But it ought to be done with your eyes open."

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On the Net:

http://www.LeaveMyChildAlone.org

http://www.militaryfreezone.org

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Associated Press writer Foster Klug contributed to this story from Fort Meade, Md.


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That is simply insulting to me. Grow up and realize these recruiters have helped keep us free before you were here, and will continue to do so after you're gone.




My family is the cookie cutter Offduty Military Man meeting Bar Girl "template", so I know what a real Military person is. I apologize for jumping the gun and assuming, but if the recruiters DID in fact misuse their position, I'm sorry I have no respect for that.

I don't speak of military personell that way, either. I lacked description in my offensive comment, I apologize.

Telling me to grow up.. well. Is deserved. No need to carry that onto the next subject we discuss in CI though, and I wouldn't expect that of you to start with. Just had a bad day I guess.

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thats what really happens. I have been in the US army for 3 yrs, got home feb 14th. I did my 3 and got hurt tranning so i am trying to get out of the damm 3 yr reserve. they wont let me go for anything. I got screwed by my recruiter, and i think about 50% do. it's wrong. (rangers lead the way) sgt carr out. ha

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