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well, i guess i can cancel the loan process then
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Originally posted by Horse:
im a cobra snob - I dont like it.
I don't like snobs.
And, if you're a true snob, then only a true original will do. Be ready to shell out $150k for an original 289, $250k to $400k for a 427. That's some rarified air, there.
And where pray tell, will you get a Kirkham-bodied Cobra for 60k? Dealer price on one of these is $115 to $120k.
While I appreciate the allure of the "perfect" aluminum-bodied Cobra, I'm much more excited by something I can get right now in the mid-20s and have on track by next year. Heck, there's even a spec series designed around it. That's much more appealing than any museum piece, IMHO.
Function before fashion.
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I don't like these cars at all, so I don't need to worry about how much they are and what engine they have. 
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Originally posted by RogerB:
I don't like snobs.
And, if you're a true snob, then only a true original will do. Be ready to shell out $150k for an original 289, $250k to $400k for a 427. That's some rarified air, there.
And where pray tell, will you get a Kirkham-bodied Cobra for 60k? Dealer price on one of these is $115 to $120k.
While I appreciate the allure of the "perfect" aluminum-bodied Cobra, I'm much more excited by something I can get right now in the mid-20s and have on track by next year. Heck, there's even a spec series designed around it. That's much more appealing than any museum piece, IMHO.
Perfectly stated!
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wait, doesn't Horse work for Kirkham?
that'd explain a lot
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Yea as far as discounts go. I'm sure he gets a large one.
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Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
wait, doesn't Horse work for Kirkham?
that'd explain a lot
Used to, then I got smart enough to quit and finish my engineering degree (10 months left).
The 60K is not really discounted - its basically the going price for a complete car less motor and trans.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
How many cobra's have you seen with that 680 hp 453? a few probably
Enough to know im scared sh!tless of them, its the only car that im really scared to pull the trigger on 
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
now how many have you seen with an 03 cobra motor in it? I like the origionality.
The only problem with this is that in cobra cicles this isnt originality - originality is what was originally on the car, and while we all agree a kickass SC 4V is a cool motor, its not "correct" - a lot of stuff kirkhams offers is also not correct, but it is designed to be swapped onto original cars, making it ideal for those who wish to upgrade their cars.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
Sorry if i didnt know the true numbers of the old cobra motors, i just figured 600+ rwhp (from the terminator motor, KB/whipple ported blower, etc) was more than most of the motors in them.
your actually in the ball park for power, most 427's on a decent rebuild will put about 480-550 hp with a decent carb, but they sure put out a whole lot more TQ than the 4V motor, and at a LOT less revs. The EFI motor in the pics made over 390 lbft at just over 1100 rpms
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
It has a supercharger, makes boost. Do you know what those are?
ha ha - yes im quite familiar with a blower, in fact carroll shelby built two original blown 427 cobras, they made over 900 hp. in a car weighing in under 2500 lbs I can imagine it had to come with an underware dispencer. Ive heard crazy stories about those two cars, one went to bill cosby, the other was kept by shelby.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
And hey, if the guy can drive the cobra with a mustang suspension quickly, what does it matter? Its not your car after all.
never said it was
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
No need to be an [censored], Im allowed to have my opinion.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
but im almost positive that 03 cobra motor, four wheels, and a fiberglass shell is faster then any other V8
This is a statement not an opinion, therefore I was rectifying your erroneous statement.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
Because all alumninum cars are ugly.
This is an opinion, a weird one, and frankly I bet you have never seen an aluminum car, but whatever. As you say, your entitled to not like it.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
Sorry if you like old technology in old cars, I happen to think its awesome when people do new things, and fuse new things into tired ideas.
EFI on the old FE series motors is certainly nothing cutting edge your right, but a lot of other parts of that car are VERY cutting edge.
Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
Way to go with the massive large pictures, you win the internet.
I only basically cut and pasted, believe it or not I STILL dont have a clue on how to scale pictures before I post. 
Originally posted by RogerB:
Originally posted by Horse:
im a cobra snob - I dont like it.
I don't like snobs.
And, if you're a true snob, then only a true original will do. Be ready to shell out $150k for an original 289, $250k to $400k for a 427. That's some rarified air, there.
And where pray tell, will you get a Kirkham-bodied Cobra for 60k? Dealer price on one of these is $115 to $120k.
While I appreciate the allure of the "perfect" aluminum-bodied Cobra, I'm much more excited by something I can get right now in the mid-20s and have on track by next year. Heck, there's even a spec series designed around it. That's much more appealing than any museum piece, IMHO.
The funny thing is your totally right, a museum piece is great to look at and all, but driving in another matter. MAny owners of Kirkham cars own originals as well. They buy a kirkham to drive the car, not look at it. While it is a perfect copy of the original it-like you mentioned- costs considerable less, and what a novel idea, can be reasonable insured. Its a lot less expensive to replace a kirkham than an original SC when some retarded soccer mom whacks you at a light because she was on the phone, thats the purpose of these cars. and BTW - 110-120K who are you buying from?? The cost of a complete car always fluctuates a bit, but it has been as low as 48K for a finished car less motor and trans (and obviously paint). I love it when people quote the factory 5 20K pricing, this is not a complete car, it will still take at the bare minumum another 10K to have a running driving car. Just FYI . . .
Originally posted by todras XXL:
Yea as far as discounts go. I'm sure he gets a large one.
I would, but honestly thats still too expensive for me . . . But I do have that "one big favor" that someday ill cash in, but it wont be on a cobra. Most of my money savings would be because I know how to put them together, I could get discounted parts and put the car together myself, as always labor the is expensive thing.
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Im not sure how you look at it, but when you are the first to do something new... it is looked at as being origional, fresh, cutting edge, etc.
Putting the same engine everyone else puts into the shell is following the trend, or restoring.
In regards to the supercharger comment i made, it was because you asked if i knew what a carb was. It was obviously sarcastic, but hey... so was the supercharger comment.
Hey, everyones got opinions, and statements (;)) they like to make.
I suppose we could just agree to disagree?
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Well, I got my figures from this article. Where are you getting yours? I trust you are an expert, and I realize that article is a bit dated. You telling me I can get a new Kirkham for 48-60k? Oh, wait, that's minus engine. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the FFR basic kit comes in under $13k. Donor parts, etc. can net you a decent example for under $20k, and $25k gives you plenty of extras, IF you build it yourself, shop smart, etc. And that's a finished product, not a shell. Granted, it's not for the concourse, but...
Function before fashion.
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Originally posted by Pudmunkie:
I suppose we could just agree to disagree?
sure 
(just dont say original around a cobra guy - that means just like in the 60's)
Originally posted by RogerB:
Well, I got my figures from this article.
Where are you getting yours?
Try this on for size
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