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news linkythis really pisses me off: Quote:
A study released in 1999 by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety estimated an increase in deaths on interstates and freeways of about 15 percent in the 24 states that had raised their speed limit in late 1995 and 1996.
let me get this straight: 15% incerase because speedlimit moved up 10 mph to 65. I call it BS.
so how do we solve the problem? let's enforce speeding as strict as DUI. let's pull over for 66 in 65.
I'm beside myself w/ rage 
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I clicked the link for the data, but came up with some crash test review...  I'd like to see a timeline of that data, the speed data collection by year, as well as the level of service data where these figures were collected. I'll bet that there was a gradual increase & the most accidents occured as the roadway level of service increased. Just one of those journalism problems that we have in this country. Some numb head decides to leave critical bits of information out of a report in an effort to skew the interpretation of the data.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Pisses me off too! Speed doesn't kill. Stupidity at high speeds kills. I don't see how someone doing 70, 75, 80, 85mph, etc on a wide open road with no traffic is putting others at risk. It's the numbskulls who are weaving through heavy traffic at those speeds or racing down congested highways or 2 lane roads that causes accidents and deaths. Not to mention people on their cell phones, changing CD's, applying make-up in traffic, or (god-forbid) reading behind the wheel. The other thing in this country is the lack of proper driver education, particularly in regards to defensive manueuvering. If teenagers were taught how to recover from loss of traction, accident avoidance (steering and braking techniques), and adverse weather driving, we would see those accident rates decrease. Instead, the RMV still focuses on basic driving skills such as parallel parking and 3 point turns to license new drivers. Having a CDL and having driven commercially, I've seen a lot of accidents (and avoided many more). The main factors I've noticed are sheer reckless driving, inexperience, and age (young and very old). It's not the guy/gal in a CSVT, Audi, Porche, etc who is cruising at a pretty good clip that is causing an increase in accidents... it's the 17 year old kid with an invincibility complex who doesn't know what they're doing. Oh, and then there's the whole SUV thing...
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Originally posted by alex_96GL:
news linky
this really pisses me off:
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A study released in 1999 by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety estimated an increase in deaths on interstates and freeways of about 15 percent in the 24 states that had raised their speed limit in late 1995 and 1996.
let me get this straight: 15% incerase because speedlimit moved up 10 mph to 65. I call it BS.
so how do we solve the problem? let's enforce speeding as strict as DUI. let's pull over for 66 in 65.
I'm beside myself w/ rage
If something like this makes you 'beside yourself with rage', then I can recommend some institutions for you.  
Nevertheless, for several months after Nebraska upped its speed limit to 75, they were giving tickets for as little as 1 over. But as far as I know, they've reverted to leniency. And it makes perfect sense that more deaths between points of time; there are a lot more cars on the road now than there were 10 years ago.
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Ohio gives tickets for only 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit.
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Originally posted by Davo:
If something like this makes you 'beside yourself with rage', then I can recommend some institutions for you.
uh... ok. what institution would that be? 
let me spell it out for you:
1. fatality increase is related to the increased traffic, not speed limit
2. authorities have no incentive to enforce the speedlimit because it will reduce the throughput (in busy areas in NJ I'm guessing about 30%), and actually increase the number of accidents. it is next to impossible to enforce it anyway.
3. current speed enforcement is based on the "let's catch one and make him an example" principle, which is entirely unfair.
4. it is also understood that once you are singled out from the pack and pulled over, it's a discretion of the officer how to punish you. that's not called law enforcement.
5. oh and BTW, current speed limit is based on the characteristics of cars built in 50's assuming adverse conditions such as wet pavement.
so w/ all this being clear as day, we have a quote coming from Insurance Institute for Highway Safety suggesting that the key to solving all our problems is stricter enforcement of the speeding. and yes, they fudged the numbers to make it look like they actually make sense.
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Originally posted by alex_96GL:
a) current speed enforcement is based on the "let's catch one and make him an example" principle, which is entirely unfair. AMEN !
b. it is also understood that once you are singled out from the pack and pulled over, it's a discretion of the officer how to punish you. that's not called law enforcement. THAT'S TRUE !
c. oh and BTW, current speed limit is based on the characteristics of cars built in 50's assuming adverse conditions such as wet pavement. This is also True ! The laws were written for maxiumum fuel efficiency, not safety, IIRC.
I was given a ticket a few weeks ago. I was in the center lane on a large freeway, behind other cars going down a hill. I wasn't weaving, I wasn't passing on the right, I wasn't going obviously faster than anyone else... Written for going 10 over, and he acted like he was doing me a favor; I wasn't going that much faster than that anyway. He also proceeded to tell me the steps to get this ticket wiped off my record. I was THIS close to asking him why he was bothering to write the ticket then.
The way it is all up to the officer's discretion is not fair. I almost asked him why he was picking on me, the 7 year old Contour, not the large SUV I was behind, or the Corvette that was in the left hand lane.
Sucks. But I'm stubborn enough to go through those steps and get the ticket wiped from my good record. I already went and paid for a certified copy of my CLEAN driving record. Now I just have to show up at the Traffic Tribunal. There are a clear set of rules for getting it wiped from your record, including mph over, status of your record, showing up on a certain date and time... Silly.
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When NM raised the speed limit on our 3 interstates to 75, accident rates DROPPED on I-40 and I-10 which carry a lot of traffic and went up a bit on I-25 which carries far less traffic. While the media hyped the increase on 25, the state highway department called the findings largely inconclusive.
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Originally posted by sail114:
Oh, and then there's the whole SUV thing...
Yeah, what he said...
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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
Ohio gives tickets for only 2 or 3 mph over the speed limit.
That's because Ohio is an old Indian word for giant [censored] speedtrap.
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