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Originally posted by spgoode:
I use and understand science.
People can say the same about religion.
Originally posted by Davo:
One is based on evidence the other on revelation.
Isn't science a revelation? Keep in mind there was once 'evidence' that Earth was flat.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Isn't science a revelation? Keep in mind there was once 'evidence' that Earth was flat.
Revelation means something is revealed from God, so science is not revelation.
And yes you could say the first scientists looked at the world around them and determined it to be flat, and then when more evidence was collected the Earth was determined to be spherical. A person practicing science changes his or her opinions based on new evidence.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Revelation means something is revealed from God, so science is not revelation.
Religious revelations come from God, scientific revelations come from man.
Originally posted by spgoode:
And yes you could say the first scientists looked at the world around them and determined it to be flat, and then when more evidence was collected the Earth was determined to be spherical. A person practicing science changes his or her opinions based on new evidence.
Science is often lauded as the one absolute truth, but history has proven this to be an incorrect assessment. How can you say evidence proves something to be right when new evidence can prove it to be wrong?
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Originally posted by spgoode:
faith = belief without evidence
science = understanding through evidence gathering, debate..etc. Faith has nothing to do with it.
For example, as mentioned, Creation/Evolution
Faith gives you= An invisible God creating a visible "paradise" one-of world. With ancient manuscripts backing it up, which also contain scientific facts not realized by the scientific community then (earth is not held up by some man or elephants, the earth is round, how the water cycle works, etc) by an 'all-knowing' God.
Science gives you = evidence thru what is seen only. No manuscripts, no hints, many ideas, lots of opinions by Imperfect men. Sure faith has nothing to do with it, but without it/belief, it sure must be a squeeze to make it work.
Originally posted by Viss1:
I find it interesting that many posters have dismissed holycowSVTpaul's posts without stating why.
Because he doesn't provide the full extent of his evidence. Like he said of his beliefs, he "cherry picks" what he needs to say to get his point across.
Altho the idea about an emotion based belief being inferior, I completely agree. If your religious beliefs are mainly emotion based (aka you go to church cause you parents did(Mt 10:37), you disagree to some small bits of your church but cling to it still because the "main bits" are still good too(Mt 15:6b), or think your beliefs are too intimate to discuss(Ro 10:10) then to no good was Jesus alive. He got away from the tradition and emotion of religion Mk 7:7,8
Originally posted by my csvt:
the question is how does it effect how sex is view in todays society.
The idea that sex is shameful, and a sin is not a biblical teaching. God had Adam and Noah to fill the earth (with Children) so he wouldn't command this to punish them for doing it. Sex for other purposes than conception is mentioned positively - Gen 26:8, 1 Cor 7:3-5.
What I found interesting is found in Proverbs 5:18,19. This partly helps me understand where is idea of pre-marital sex being wrong is in the bible. In the translations/versions I looked at, they all said to rejoice with the 'Wife of your youth' her 'breasts...satisfying', in 'ecstacy with her love'. Notice, not girlfriend or lady but Wife of you youth. Too in Heb 13:4 marriage is to be 'honourable' and the marriage bed undefiled. If we strayed from these things the rest of the verse mentions we'd be fornicating or adultering. So not being married would not make pre-marital sex not fornication
I think my main point being that man doesn't like to be told what to do or think but once we realize that we all can't make all good choices for ourselves, following Bible counsel will work now and later.
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